I would like to know haw many of you Jersey guys have:
Seen a copy of the UCC. (5:23 et al)
Know what's within it.
Read any of it.
Know how much it pertains to you & your trade.

Anyone ever seen or read the DCA Communicator?

Thanks gentlemen

59 views, and no comments???

Hello John, I have viewed it a few times but I don't count.

Roger

John,

Your asking the impossible, how can any NJ Contractor tell you what is in the code, It is something you have to buy!!! Rehab section is free, how about some questions on that?

Roger:

"Hello John, I have viewed it a few times but I don't count.

Roger"

That is not true!

Les:
I'm trying to make an informal poll, something to show that 19 out of 21 (example) EC's basically have no access to the UCC. Bottom line is to suggest to the higher-ups that it should be readily available to Lic EC's.

Additionally, it should have a 'wider' visability in CEU courses. I have intentions on prep & submittal for approval, at least 4 to 5 hours of 'items of interest' to EC's. Hopefully approved for this 34 hr cycle.

As to Rehab....that's one. Also, Energy, ADA, Electrical Sub-Code, Egress, etc.

At least you and Roger 'stepped up to the plate'. C'mon guys!!

Good plan, John

One of the CEU's I attended covered some of the Rehab sections, Yes, there is a need for UCC regulations.

OK, are the only Jersey Guys left here LK and myself?? (And Roger as an honarary Jersey Guy)

Where's everybody...

John, thanks for the kind words, support. and Honorary Membership.

Roger

Four (4) days, 200+ views, and it's still only me, Roger & LK??

Everyone else on vacation....or no one cares??

OK, tell me again what the New Joisy problem is?

OK, now Tony want's in!
Amazing...

Nope!

Never even heard of it.

John,

I don't know what to say, after a lifetime in this trade, I have never seen anything like it is today, a large number in the trade, have little or no understanding of the permit process. It first came to my attention, when I read posts claiming, permits were a goverment grab, for money, or goverment interfering in trade.

My bet is less then 10% of those in the trade can tell you why the building codes were developed, and how the insurance industry rates communties.

I say go with the CEU's on UCC there is a real need for it.

Les

Les:
As Shock indicated above...seems it's unknown.

Next time an EC cries that he has to remove H-7 cans and install "Energy Compliant"...what can I say?

I'm thinking that there may really be 'No Interest' in this subject; but..I'm going to get a few hours set up anyway.

I really feel better now...at least Ron responded; and he added one of my fav characters...Paulie Walnuts!

Hi John!

Hey, John, when would I need to remove H- 7's in favor of an energy compliant fixture? Couldn't I simply install CFL's and comply? The gov't interference thing comes from, well, the gov't telling us what to use. It is BS! If customers want incadesents who are we as EC's to tell them no? The less gov't interference the better is what I always say. Free-market, Ooo-Rah!

Ron:
It's not about CF-Incandescent...it's about the 'can' allowing interior conditioned air to leak into un-conditioned areas of the structure.

WE hav'nt progressed into the CF/Incand stage yet, Calif is way ahead of us in that respect.

What I'm trying to 'see' here is if there is any interest in you guys wanting CEU subjects other than the run of the mill subjects.

Based on the responses to this thread, NO interest seems to prevail!

PS (edit)
If you want further info, e-mail or call me.

John,

Don't give up on your effort, bringing the UCC to the CEU's offered, is one of the best course suggestions, I have yet to see, It should be at the top of the list for courses, I am supprised that it has not been offered as yet.

The course may help create a better understanding of how the permit, and inspection process really works, and why and how codes are applied in the process, to comply with the laws.

It would not be a boring, repeat course for sure.

On the goverment interfering, I agree less is better, no question about it, unless it is for the public good.

Some of the energy proposals, and laws are just that, for the public good, yes I would like to have a choice on what lighting I use, however if using a more efficent lighting, reduces the demand on the power grid, and benifits the public at large, then, the law is working for everyones benifit.

I would like to have a chicken coop in the back yard, for my benifit, however living in a residential area, the public at large in my neighborhood, would be deprived of their right, to a quiet, and oderless enviroment, so goverment establishes a law, no raising chicks, in residential zones areas.

We get so caught up with rights issues, and policies, we sometime forget, that we control the issues, and policies, it's that strange thing called voting, even on the codes presented, we have the oppertunity to make proposals, and changes.

Making the UCC more accesable, will only help everyone understand it's scope and purpose, having it on the internet for NJ licensed electricians would allow us easy access.

Les:
Yes, the UCC should be available online, but...it's not. It's only available in print, and you MUST subscribe to the update service, as it changes frequently. Changes may be grammar, punctuation, or the addition or deletion of whatever. That's probably why it is not available on CD/DVD or online.

As you may know...it's written mostly in legaleese, as it is a LAW.

There are many sections that are relative to EC's.

I'm going to work on it, but based on the replies to this thread.....it may only be you, Ron & Roger (if I pay the transportation)

Stay safe

NOT the UCC ....some paperwork DESCRIBING what all is IN the UCC.
http://www.state.nj.us/dca/codes/forms/pdf/summary_of_ucc.pdf


UCC technical amendments effective 2/20/07(2006): http://www.state.nj.us/dca/codes/co...e/pdf/model_codes_tech_amend_2_20_07.pdf

New Jersey Uniform Construction Code Bulletins
http://www.state.nj.us/dca/codes/bulletins_ftos/list_of_bulletins_ftos/list_of_bulletins_ftos2.htm

I found the ICC for NJ (? I think?)
http://www2.iccsafe.org/states/newjersey/


No UCC.

Ah Ha...
There still is life in the Garden State!
Yes, Celtic, that is the link for the ICC, I just got it today

Bump please
Where is everybody??

John,

I float in and out of here from time to time. Since I got a new computer at work, it gives me more of a chance to check in on this board. You know me and you know that I have seen, read, and have to enforce the blue book. As a contractor, I didn't know anything about the UCC. When I got my inspectors lic. in '94, I learned about the UCC. Since then I have had to subscribe and keep that darn book updated. Lately, it seems they keep changing the same sections over and over. If this was the corporate world, that book would be on line and updates would automatically get updated. However since you and I both know how the Gov. works, we will just have to keep updating it.

John, I've been reading this site "stalking" for about a year. Your question prompted me to register so that I may put in my two cents worth. My recent experience has been with 5:70, the local inspector has "forced" me to re-read various codes, i.e. NFPA 70, NFPA 72, Life Safety 101, NJ Building Code. I've been involved with fire alarm systems since 1978, got my electrical license 10 years ago, and have been UL certificated for burglar alarm systems since the '80's. It seems to me that most contractors, electrical or low voltage type, do not want to raise any questions with the ahj pertaining to "code". As long as the inspector will accept the job, then that's all that they believe they owe to the job. Rather than read the code, and I have to say it is not easy to read and "interpret", they just ask the ahj what he wants, what it takes to get him to approve the job, and that's good enough. If any of this is making sense, let me know and I can continue with my experience pertaining to 5:70, the fire code in NJ.

Walter:
First off, WELCOME to ECN from a "Jersey Guy" to a "Jersey Guy".

OK, if you have ever 'read' the UCC (5:23 et al) you know that it's not real easy.

I tell the contractors/homeowners when they ask 'what do you want?'; it's not what I want, it's what's 'code'. As to getting the job approved; Code Compliance. (Period)

It's good to know that there now is a NJ Fire maven here at ECN.

Welcome and stay in touch.