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Posted By: fibes Solenoid Voltage Testers - 09/26/02 07:55 PM
I need a good voltage tester. What do you get when you pay more? These testers range from about $20 all the way up to $80. Can someone steer me in the right direction? Money is not too much of an object because I don't mind paying more if it's for a good reason. Also, is anyone familiar with the tester made by company called Knopp? Thanks.
Posted By: HotLine1 Re: Solenoid Voltage Testers - 09/26/02 10:16 PM
We use either the Ideal "solenoid" type tester w/continuity; or the "wiggy", dependent on what's at the counter when the need arises. (They have a habit of vanishing occasionally.
John
Posted By: caselec Re: Solenoid Voltage Testers - 09/27/02 12:50 AM
The Knopp testers is what I have always preferred and used. The only disadvantage that I have heard is that to replace the leads you have to solder the connections instead of just plugging them in like some testers.
Posted By: Matt M Re: Solenoid Voltage Testers - 09/27/02 01:00 PM
I like the simple Ideal brand, or the old "Wiggy" with just the voltage option. In addition to the solenoid tester, you're going to need a good multi-meter anyway, so the continuity option isn't real important. Matt
Posted By: Trumpy Re: Solenoid Voltage Testers - 09/30/02 06:02 AM
Hi, ever heard of a Duspol tester?
These are made in Germany and are sworn by over here in NZ, have been for years.
There are various models available(Check out
benning.com), but the one that I use, is the
Type N, tests from 100-650VAC-DC, very robust, no parts to break, and is virtually fool-proof. [Linked Image]
Posted By: elektrikguy Re: Solenoid Voltage Testers - 09/30/02 06:08 AM
I personally would choose a digital meter. I have had great success with the Greenlee brand. More accurate, and versitile. Why carry more than one tester if you don't need it. I have a Greelee with a removable amprobe type head. Good for 200 amps. Has AC,DC,resistance, and audible continuity. Was 100 Canadian.
Posted By: old Appy Re: Solenoid Voltage Testers - 09/30/02 08:58 AM
Trumpys on the mark here! i dont know a sparky here with out a set heck i got the N and S type. http://www.benning.fr/Anglais/pruef1.htm
Posted By: Matt M Re: Solenoid Voltage Testers - 09/30/02 04:50 PM
Is the Duspol a high impedance tester? It looks like a good unit, but if it is a high impedance tester, I'd still have a Wiggy or other brand of solenoid tester in my arsenol of tools.

If you're testing solid state relays, triacs, PLC outputs, loose or coroded connections, etc., a digital meter or other type of high impedance tester will give you false readings. Matt
Posted By: Trumpy Re: Solenoid Voltage Testers - 10/05/02 04:49 AM
Matt,
The Duspol is a tester all in itself,
it uses a neon on one side of the "cord",
this tells you that you have voltage at where you are testing, you are also told
wether or not you are working with AC or DC,with the same neon.

On the other side of the tester, you are given a solenoid, this shows the size of the voltage you are working with, this is very handy as the Duspol in itself draws
240mA, which gets rid of ghost voltages on
highly inductive circuits, the solenoid will
not trigger unless there is an actual voltage there, over 100V. [Linked Image]
Posted By: electrician02125 Re: Solenoid Voltage Testers - 10/05/02 10:35 PM
I have used Knopp testers since day one. Never failed me.

Around $35.00
Posted By: Bjarney Re: Solenoid Voltage Testers - 10/05/02 11:40 PM
They last for centuries… http://www.knoppinc.com/tools.htm#K-60
Posted By: dugmaze Re: Solenoid Voltage Testers - 10/21/02 12:30 AM
I use Knopp, Square "D", and a Fluke on a daily basis and prefer the Fluke(multimeter) even when I'm busy.
Posted By: Trumpy Re: Solenoid Voltage Testers - 11/04/02 06:07 AM
So, mate, did you actually choose a voltage tester?.
What type did you choose?
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Posted By: stevegalus Re: Solenoid Voltage Testers - 11/05/02 09:16 PM
The solenoid testers have the advantage of not measuring "phantom" voltages.

But one big disadvantage, in my opinion, is that they cannot measure hot to ground voltage on GFCI or AFCI protected circuits. The solenoid draws enough current to trip either type of protection.
Posted By: Matt M Re: Solenoid Voltage Testers - 11/05/02 10:06 PM
Steve,

Thats an advantage if you ask me! What better way to test the GFCI?
Posted By: Trumpy Re: Solenoid Voltage Testers - 11/07/02 05:49 AM
Steve,
What is an AFCI?, is this like an GFCI?, how do they differ?
Matt, I don't really like the idea of using a solenoid tester to test a GFCI, as you really need trip times and currents, to make sure that the thing is working properly, I would sooner use a dedicated tester for this.
Peoples safety is under-mined if these units are faulty.
Posted By: stevegalus Re: Solenoid Voltage Testers - 11/07/02 05:05 PM
Trumpy,
AFCI stands for Arc Fault Circuit Interrupter. It "looks" for the characteristics of an arc between hot and neutral. They are required for bedrooms under the latest NEC.
An AFCI also provides GFCI protection, but not Class A protection. Class A requires the device to trip at about 5mA of ground current and AFCI's trip at well above 5mA. The SquareD AFCI breaks at 50mA. Still sensitive enough for a solenoid tester to trip it.
Posted By: stevegalus Re: Solenoid Voltage Testers - 11/07/02 05:10 PM
I see no problem using a solenoid tester to test a GFCI circuit. When I test a GFCI circuit, my intent is to verify that the wiring is correct - not that the GFCI device meets the manufacturers specs. That is something that I assume their QC takes care of.
Posted By: mamills Re: Solenoid Voltage Testers - 11/07/02 05:32 PM
Steve:
Since we're momentarily on the subject of AFCI's, will it detect an arc in a hot or neutral unto itself, i.e. a loose connection in a plug or a break in a conductor?

...I hope I described that properly... [Linked Image]

Mike (mamills)

[This message has been edited by mamills (edited 11-07-2002).]
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