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#85118 05/29/03 10:25 PM
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The owner of our company told us to jump power from the kitchen receptical, for an over head kitchen light. Is this legal?

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#85119 05/30/03 01:51 AM
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If the over head light is a clock.

#85120 05/30/03 06:35 AM
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I think you'll find that 210.52(B)(2)is the rule to quote to your boss.

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No other outlets. The two or more small appliance branch circuits specified in 210.52(B)(1) shall have no other outlets.

Exception No. 1: A receptacle installed solely for the electrical supply to and support of an electric clock in any of the rooms specified in 210.52(B)(1).

Exception No. 2: Receptacles installed to provide power for supplemental equipment and lighting on gas-fired ranges, ovens, or counter-mounted cooking units.


210.52(B)(1) referred to above basically specifies the small-appliance circuits for kitchen areas.

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#85121 05/30/03 06:51 AM
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If, per chance, you have 3(or more) small appliance circuits in this kitchen, you could legally jump from one to anything else.
If there is only two, you can not.

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My previous answer was meant to be a humorous notation of the requirement of 210.52(B)(1), which I believe would include ANY Small Appliance Circuit in the Kitchen since "..the 2 or more small appliance branch circuits.." mathematically includes "3 or more".
Doesn't it??

#85123 05/30/03 08:42 AM
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It seems to me that once you satisfy the minimum of 2 small appliance circuits, any additional circuit MAY be classified as a general lighting circuit, and therefore be connected to any general load. ??
What if an additional circuit is run for the refrigerator. Would it be a violation to tie in for a light to that circuit?
However, if an additional circuit serves countertop appliances, the point is well taken that it is a small appliance circuit, and other outlets should probably not be connected.


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#85124 05/30/03 09:07 AM
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I think DJF has it right. By 210.52B1, almost any circuit serving kitchen receptacles is a small appliance circuit. By 210.52B2, those circuits can't serve other loads, even if you have more than 2 circuits.

Also, the refrigerator must be on a small appliance circuit, unless it is on its own circuit per 210.52B2 exception 2.

#85125 05/30/03 11:17 PM
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What I'm getting from you guys is that it is not legal?! Gotcha! Thanks!


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