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The tamper proof receptacle proposal was reported on the IAEI web site as accepted. Lets see how well it does in the comment stage. NEMA Proposal 18-40 Section 406.11(New)
Panel Action: Accept Vote: 10-1-1
Commentary: NEMA proposal 18-40 would require the use of tamper resistant receptacles throughout dwellings. The overwhelming consensus was to accept this proposal, but a considerable amount of time was spent debating whether the requirement for tamper resistant receptacles should be limited to only those that are easily accessible to children. For instance, it was questioned whether the receptacles behind refrigerators, or on walls behind counter tops, should need to comply. Panel members also questioned the ease with which attachment plugs could be inserted into tamper resistant receptacles, resulting in the writing of the following panel statement:
“The panel is concerned about the possible increased insertion force required for our aging population. The panel requests data concerning the amount of force necessary to insert a plug into the shutter and the amount of force necessary to fully insert a plug into a tamper-resistant receptacle”.
The panel finally agreed to accept the proposal without any location restrictions to see what comments were generated during the public review phase. The IAEI representative voted against the proposal. The IEC representative abstained from the voting.
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"I for one would be very happy if shared neutrals died a fast and painful death!!"
Surely you are joking. Prohibiting MWBCs would be idiotic.
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mxslick, If you don't like shared neutrals, how do you feel about services and utility wiring? ![[Linked Image]](https://www.electrical-contractor.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif) Peter
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C-H /eaton has been selling a 2-pole with 2 singles of either 15/15, 20/20 or 15/20 for about 2 years or more. And they happen to work very well for remodels.
On the 2 wire circuit idea, I have to agree, it is a waste. There is no more danger, or loss in circuit quality in them than any other circuit properly wired. And with copper prices doing the hoochie choochie, it makes more sense. Environmentaly, they say that 50% of the earths copper is mined out now, and that in the very near future they will have to resort to Trash mining! (For that and other resources...) Kind of retro-active recycling....
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Rest you case? You have not said anything. ![[Linked Image]](https://www.electrical-contractor.net/ubb/biggrin.gif) I know you are both knowledgeable and professional. ![[Linked Image]](https://www.electrical-contractor.net/ubb/smile.gif) But you have not proven anything. How is a multiwire branch circuit different from a feeder or service? Bob
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As far as the AFCI debate is concerned... it has been my observation that many places have either failed to adopt any AFCI requirements, or have added exceptions.
In the field, I am finding many new homes with only receptacles on the AFCI's, and not the lights (as required by both NEC and local code).
The NEC, or any code, is of value only as far as it is respected. Make enough bad calls, and respect goes away. It seems that the AFCI mania has greatly undermined the respect we have for the NEC.
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Reno, I agree....
AFCI's have not proven themselves to me yet. IMO, or even IMPO they are a great way for breaker makers to make some more mulla.
IMO, they are an infant product at this point, and far from perfect. Time will only tell, but I do not see the need, or objective of requiring them in some, or any rooms.
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I've lived through and possibly because of - Spark iginition on furnaces, GFCI protection evolution, thermal protection of recessed fixtures, mandatory smoke alarm protection and now the evolution of AFCI protection. End of story.
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