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Yes Roger for cooking:

See the Definition of Dwelling Unit in Article 100 --

Dwelling Unit. A single unit, providing complete and independent living facilities for one or more persons, including permanent provisions for living, sleeping, cooking, and
sanitation.

I agree with everyones points here, but I have to side with iwire here.

If a Final can't be done because the home isn't sold yet, the homeowner/occupant can't make up thier minds or for a host of other reasons, not excluding backordered appliances.

What is the EC to do?

Wait for another 6 months till the unit is sold before he can bill and get paid awaiting final inspection?

Wait 6 months before the final to start to the warranty period?


There has to be some bending by inspectors on this. In this area we use 3rd party inspectors, some guys will just use another inspector if they have too.

Joe, you have had to of seen a rangetop not installed because the custom marble countertop hasn't been made yet?

What about a "Provisional Final"?


Dnk.......

Hello Alan:

Can I remind you of your inspection procedures that you sent to me for inclusion the book I wrote back in 1990?

I can send them to you if you want.

I remember an Alan Nadon who was far more concerned about safety than it appears now, and one who got up toward the mike at IAEI meetings when issues came up that were from the "good old boys" on the Code Panels.

But means .... ?

When we get older we mellow, is that it?

Dnk..

Provisional Final? What does that mean?

Please don't get me started on 3rd party inspection agencies!

I have heard some arguments by contractors in the past from some such as:

"If you call out those items I will not use your services anymore!"

In some areas it is the "envelope" that gets the final!

I'd like to meet the inspector that pulls out a range, removes the wiring cover and checks to see if there is a proper strain relief on the cord and if the bonding jumper is installed or not.

Electricmanscott

Even if the delivery person installed the range and connected the cord?

You know better, and I would not question you or any electrician for that matter, but again I have seen the delivery person connect the cord, and you can't deny that it may present a problem.

I will bet that Insurance Inspectors, those who understand the issues, would LOL with these discussions.

So be it, I still have an hour while wainting in the St Louis airport before I fly home to Boston.

Let me ask this Joe and George.

Are you both saying you would not give me my final if a stove or dryer is not in place and that are not on my submitted plans?

In regards to luminaires.

Is it your opinion that if the electrician installs a ceiling outlet in the living room that the homeowner must now and forever more keep a luminaire installed on that outlet?

Bob

Okay Joe, let's go ahead and install a gas cook top in this dwelling unit, yet still have a Rough in present for a cord Connected Range (maybe a future down draft Jen-air) that is not installed.

What about the rest of my post?

BTW, I think it is apparent that Alan is very concerned in safety.

Roger

By Roger

By Joe T.

Joe this post of yours has left me almost speechless.

Do I understand you correctly?

Your opinion is that the NEC Article 100 definition of dwelling unit means a range must be installed?

That is truly grasping at straws, you can't be serious.

Bob



[This message has been edited by iwire (edited 07-31-2005).]

Thank you and I try to be, one day I hope to be sitting on that side of the fence.

That aside honorable or dishonorable the rules should be applied equally.