ECN Forum Forums Code Related Discussion NEC & other Code issues SE cable

I don't think that any citiation based only on 110.12 will stand up if challanged in court. It is too subjective. If the SE behind the shutter is the only thing that is causing the red tag, I think that the tag should be removed. I don't see it as a safety problem, in fact the shutter provides additional protection to the SE. Some might say that this is service conductors inside the building, but I don't think that the space between the siding and the shutter is inside the building.
Don.

As I stated in the original thread I see no real problem with this other than appearance. If it were me and I did this (I didn't) I would obviously take the shutter down pass my inspection and move on. Whatever that case, when you are citing neat and workmanlike for a failed inspection it makes me want to see all the work you have ever done. I am sure there is something that someone would not agree with. PS, this still looks like an old service to me.

I'm an electrical inspector and NO building official I have worked for would permit me to red tag a job for 110.12. I'd be told either find a legitimate (and real) violation or sign off on the job.

Joe, Did you ask about the relationship between the two non-english speaking guys you saw at the job, and the EC? (You mentioned them in the Pictures Posting) They seem to be your main issue with the job. I see NO code, or for that matter workmanship issues with the job. (Unless you have local code that says specifically, that SE can not be under a finish.)

The two guys could have been anyone... The painters, rockers, landscapers, the GC's employees, relatives of the owners... They could be anyone! IMHO you are a little too suspicious about their presence! Even if they were legally employed by him, there is still nothing wrong with that.

Now, if you had witness to them doing the work, and they were not legally employed by him, that would still not be a workmanship issue, or a red tag. That would be an employment law/licensing issue.

Wouldn't it be funny if that EC showed up here on ECN?

Oh, if he move it over, its going to be a little too close to that light fixture.

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Let me ask the question- Is all of the electricity going through the meter? If you catch my drift. We have had problems in that department and the utility company gets interested when they see this sort of installation

George, good point.
When I did my service upgrade the PoCo yanked on all 3 service conductors in the mast pipe to be sure they were loose. When I asked he told me they have seen them going out a plumbing "T" into that little 5-7" space where they are concealed between the roof and the soffit.
Someone could then put a KupleTap on the conductor and feed into the attic to suck out some free juice.
It seems like a lot of work but it could be a lot of money over time. Of course you could get some "time" if they caught you.

Really! They should be using a T-condulet!

A 2 or 2.5" T conduit body would be too long. You could see it sticking out of the soffit. These thieves are tricky bastards.

It amazes me that someone would red tag a job for something as minor as what appears in that picture. All you needed to do was fail the inspection and the contractor would have to make the corrections. Who pays for it is none of your concern. The homeowner and the EC know which came first. Let them handle the details and the EC can call it back in when the corrections are made.

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