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Folks,
I used to tests these tubs in UL. The main concerns were obviously electrical [first], but suction [secondly]. Alot of the mfrs make tubs that have excess suction and kids have drowned by getting their hair caught in the drains. Although the AHJ has the last word and it may not make us all happy, he's not wrong by asking for this type of certification. He should, however, accept another mark such as ETL though.
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The big question here is, with only 10 to 20% of the Hot Tubs Listed, what do we do when a customer has a non listed pool? which is most of our install jobs.
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The operative word is "approved" not necessarily "listed". If the retailers would work with the AHJ they might be able to get local approval for their better units. Some AHJs are going to demand NRTL listing (Fl IAEI's opinion) and the retailers need to know that too
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The AHJ's are looking for a listing and a label, and i can understand why the AHJ would not want to take on the liability, that the manufacture should.
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Les, as I understand it, government and their officials have an absolute immunity as to their actions, absent something as outrageous as corruption. I don't think the AHJ has any liability exposure.
As "The Watt" has pointed out, there have been problems with the suction ports (something that never came up with swimming pools); this led to the NEC requirement for a disconnect near commercial installations.
"Commercial installation" differs from "residential" in that such spas are frequently constructed on site, have more powerful pumps, lack the convenient spa-side controls, and even have to pumps and controls located elswhere, and locked up.
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Actually there is a requirement for suction release on a pool too. They have had problems with people stuck in the drain.
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"officials have an absolute immunity as to their actions, absent something as outrageous as corruption. I don't think the AHJ has any liability exposure."
John,
That is what i thought, but officals here, had no immunity, whan an inspected job injured 3 people, and as for corruption, we have weekly inditments, taking place all over the state.
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Florida extended "soverign immunity" to me and I was just a lowly contract inspector.
I doubt it has anything to do with liability.
I imagine the biggest reason they don't want to screw with approving these units is just time. These guys work their ass off around here and a decent inspection of a manufactured spa would take a while.
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"These guys work their ass off around here and a decent inspection of a manufactured spa would take a while."
That may be, what the problem is, so what does that do for the Tub owners?
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Doesn't that joke end "I'm from the government, I'm here to help"
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