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By free standing I meant a range that sets on the floor and is not a "built-in" or fastened to the countertop around it. We have a tendency to use slang expressions sometimes and people from other areas of the country are not familiar with them and don't know what they mean. I'm from Michigan and I was talking to a fellow IAEI member from Arkansas (Phil Cox) about a "doorwall" and I had to explain to him what I meant by the term "doorwall". For those who know Phil, you realize of course, he might have been messing with me.

The space provided for the range is wall space and the rule in 210.52(A)(1) must be met.
Don

I still don't seem to understand the question asked.
How would 210.52(A)(1) apply to space behind a range? There is no way you can convince me that I need a 120v receptacle behind a 50 amp 240v range to comply with wall spacing requirements.

Don does have a point here...the wall space behind that freestanding range, be it electric or gas would require a 125 volt 20 amp receptacle outlet according to 210.52(A) connected to a small appliance branch circuit according to 210.52(B)

Another keen observation by George Little and his band of inspectors

Wait a minute though...another observation...what about the receptacle serving the counter space on the wall next to the free standing range, which is not more than 5 1/2 feet above the floor as described in in 210.52? Would this satisfy 210.52(A)

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Okay Don, I've got this sub Zero refrigerator that has a separate 15a circuit feeding a receptacle 6 feet above the floor. You are saying I still need a receptacle for this "wall space"? And, with my range, if I have a 240v range and you want a 120v. receptacle installed in this same space, what will it be used for? We don't install a 120v receptacle at the dryer location when they have a 240v. dryer? What about the dishwasher space? I guess as an inspector, I'd not ask for a receptacle for these cases.

Do they also make the plumber install a gas line, just in case?

Sorry, reccapt, the NFPA disagrees with you. As they say in their "Analysis of changes,"

"The new exception and associated figures apply to the area between a kitchen sink or a range and the wall behind them."

Likewise, I fail to se how a 'free standing' range would be any different. Remove thr range, and there is no countertop. You are never required to provide counter-top receptacles where there is no countertop.
The only "grey" area- what prompted the clarifying exception- was in the case of a stove top that was set in a hole in the counter- did that space count as part of the counter? The exception makes clear that such spaces are not part of the counter.

I'm sorry....maybe I was hasty.....IF a range was placed so that there was no countertop receptacle within six feet, then a wall outlet would be required.
How high can a wall outlet be, and still count? Five and a half feet, if I recall correctly. Countertop receptacles ( 36" std height, plus 20") are low enough to count.

Now I have never seen a stove with a 120 v. receptacle behind it, in addition to the 220 range receptacle. Perhaps Reno is behind the times....I can't imagine everybody doing it wrong for so long, however. If anyone has a pic of such an install....post it, please!

This is a foolish issue.

A recept behind a range is not accessable. Yet there are claims that such a recept can service the areas on both sides of the range.

A proper way to design is to treat the range as a "doorway" and place a recept within 6' of each side.

95% of the time you see an electric range it's because there is no gas in the house because it's unavailable. That's the way it is around here anyway.

-Hal