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I was wondering if anyone has heard of people using GFI outlets mounted near the panel to supply circuits requiring a GFI breaker. I would like to know if this is a common practice among penny pinching hacks, or just urban legend.
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I seen several GFI's mounted below the panel for this. Many locals have a rule the GFI rec can only be load sided for that room.
A number of homes built when the GFI's first came out had 1 working everything, kitchen, baths, garage, basement, and garage. They pipe and pulled them all together.
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What circuits require a GFCI breaker? I can think of one that requires a GFCI receptacle, but can't think of any that require a GFCI breaker. Don
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The 'type' of GFI protection installed is a 'design' issue, not a NEC issue. GFI can be the device (GFI Recept), a GFI CB, or a 'faceless' GFI.
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Well if you'll allow me to digress from the GFCI issue, the code requires Ground Fault protection for Fixed Outdoor Electric Deicing and Snow Melting that is seen as a possible location for a GFCI receptacle. This should be a circuit that is protected by a breaker and can not be substituted by a a receptacle. In fact the breaker is the only device available for this type of installation. The GFPE has a trip level od 30-50 ma as I recall and the GFCI has a trip level of 4-6ma.
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I agree with Don, I know of requirements (5 to be exact) for a GFCI receptacle, but not for full circuit protection.
This may not be what Don is refering to.
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Once again, I'm in the '99 NEC but the requirements here are to be GFCI protected. It doesn't specify as to how to do this. Either a breaker or a receptacle. I prefer to use GFCI receptacles so my customers don't have to wander to the basement or garage to reset a GFCI breaker that trips when they are ready to dry their hair having just stepped out of the shower. That said, it is the choice of the designer.
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If you provide GFI protection for the small appliance branch circuits with a GFCI receptacle at the panel you would have a violation. Bob
Bob Badger Construction & Maintenance Electrician Massachusetts
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If you provide GFI protection for the small appliance branch circuits with a GFCI receptacle at the panel you would have a violation. Bob
Unless you used dead front GFCIs. Why anyone would do this is unknown to me. I have never seen it. Peter D.
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Peter by Pete; Unless you used dead front GFCIs. By me; If you provide GFI protection for the small appliance branch circuits with a GFCI receptacle at the panel you would have a violation. Bob
It's all in the details. Why anyone would do this is unknown to me. It is a solution if you wanted GFI protection from a fuse or obsolete CB panel. Why not use a GFCI receptacle at the point of use? Have you tried to install a GFCI receptacle in an old box? Bob
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