ECN Forum Forums Code Related Discussion NEC & other Code issues Outdoor receptacle

George Little ---

The recept is not regulated by the NEC until it is installed. So do not complain to the UL about violations of the NEC.

It could be installed under proper cover. In which case all is fine.

If the generator and attached recept is not installed under proper cover, then you have the right to reject the equipment. Perhaps suggesting a cover would be a polite way of assisting the installer.

George I do not believe the NEC applies to this factory installed receptacle.

IMO 90.7 makes this clear, here is the second paragraph.


I agree with Kent that this would be no different than an inspector refusing a stove for a 310.16 violation.

How about a dishwasher? All the wiring is out in the open using the floor, wall and cabinet sides as an electrical enclosure.

I think it would be a great idea if UL did require a good quality in use cover on these unit.

I do not believe it is within the local inspectors jurisdiction to require it.

JMO, Bob

iwire ---

I believe what you are saying is:

If a manufacturer produces a non-weatherproof recept with pigtails on it, you must allow it to be used where a weatherproof recepticle is required.

The generator, is the pigtail, of the non-weatherproof recept in the current question.

Well -Gentlemen and ladies if any, I have taken the first step in the UL process of filing a Field Report and it looks like I have been vindicated but only time will tell. Any one interested in seeing a picture of the issue in question just drop me an e-mail with the word "Generator" in the Subject line.

In Massachusetts 90.4 is ammended to say "The authority having jurisdiction shall accept listed and labeled equipment or materials where used or installed in accordance with instructions included with the listing and labeling."
So I would say in MA you would have no authority to have this cover changed.

George


I disagree, the generator is UL listed as entire assembly like an appliance.


A "non-weatherproof recept with pigtails on it" would only be listed as a small part of a whole, a component of a larger assembly.

The listing for the receptacle you describe would require it to be an enclosure.

IMO it is not the same.

Bob

do you know what the intended use of the receptacle is? look at 406.8 (B) (2) (b),
does not require in use covers. maybe the
generator specs show the intended use of that receptacle. code ref. is 2002 NEC

I know scott mentioned that in MA they have amended the NEC to say listed products must be accepted.
(I know some hate the idea of the NEC being amended)
That is not the case every where. Just because a testing lab list a product, it does not mean the product has to be approved by the AHJ.

Russ- I could not agree with you more. The fact that a product has a Listing by UL or any other other testing lab does not make it safe or code compliant. Some of the worst signs I have inspected have a UL sticker on them. If you've ever attended an IAEI Section meeting and were able to attend an inspector/UL meeting you'd know how much UL relies on the feed back from contractor and inspectors. The item in this thread is a classic example of something UL needs feedback on.