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Ryan:

You may want to suggest Article 411 for the LV type of lighting now popular around the country. I have seen it installed in some fine restaurant's and lounge areas.

Of course now this has me wondering if what the owner will do after all is inspected and passed -- he goes over to a couple of his stockboys and says "go hang this up!"

I know of at least one manufacturer who makes a listed lamp string. This is listed under decorative luminare and is limited to 25W per foot, is custom made to your specs and has moulded on lampholders. It is rated up to 16A per string at up to 250VAC. I don't remember the manufacturer offhand, but I did see this type at Macaroni Grill last night. It is an all black lampholder with a 2 wire heavy duty 12AWG zipcord with no cage on the individual lamps. I'll try to find this string again.

I wired up a forge once, who's owner, among other items, made lamps.

he asked about 'listing', so i forwarded info on OSHA's 17 accepted labs

it was, to my knowledge on the sidelines, simply a matter of skipping along through them until one lab passed his work

said lamps now have a sticker, are mettalic, and would probably be viewed as a potential hazard (no 90 deg warning is visible either btw)

the sticker, naturally, absolves anyone from liability.

Fixtures, imo, are a great example of the growing chasm bettween Liability and Safety ...

Check out Tokistar Exhibitor series... http://www.tokistar.com/ They make an indoor / outdoor stringlight that is ETL listed. It is a 12/24v string and they make a mounting base for messenger cables.

I thought this thread was dead, but the other day I made an interesting discovery.

I finaled this building about six weeks ago, and they did not install the lights. It was made perfectly clear to the owner that I could not permit their installaion. They stated that they understood and would not install them. Everything was fine.

The other day I went there do a business license inspection, and guess what? About 1,000 feet of this temporary lighting junk was installed. The owner installed it, and in a very non-compliant manner, I might add. I told him he is to have a licensed electrician remove it, and to be expecting a visit from the state department of professional licensing. He will be getting cited and fined for doing electrical work without a permit.

Go get em Ryan.

Don't take any grief.

I imagine you will check up on this again.

Bob

AAARGH...CHOMP...RIP...CHOMP...REND...RUFF...AARGH...TEAR...

(Sounds like somebody's gonna need a new seat in their pants!)

Go gettum, boy!

Interesting. If someone plugs a fixture into a receptacle is he "doing electrical work"?
I recently installed 54 custom fixtures constructed by a local metal fabricator. He has a license to certify fixture as meeting UL requirements. I thought they would fail inspection but the AHJ didn't even look at them to see if they had a UL sticker.

UL does not license anyone to make listed products. He may have a contact from UL that will inspect and then list the product he makes, but UL would not permit him to list his own fixtures.

Pierre