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#85356 06/29/03 04:10 PM
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I agree Al, and for example suggest chain hung fixtures that displace heat,(despite the same 90C disclaimer)

however, i feel that some of the burden should be placed on the manufactures whom market thier goods oblivious of said infastructure

does anyone here know of NEMA's position on the issue?

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#85357 06/29/03 05:38 PM
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sparky:

Thanks for the "thread jacking" of this question from BobVila's site.

I informed the author that it was being handled here because I too recognized it as a question that was with many interpretations.

You should thread jack more of them!!

Anyway, I would have asked that the entire circuit be replaced with new cables, because the old wires were probably Type T or TW anyway, and the rest of the circuit could have suffered the conditions that prompted the changes in the first place.

Redsy did call out an old time practice and I called them "throw away boxes" too.

I even have an article once written to indicate that the "placing" of a box 1 foot away from a recessed fixture was why they didn't say it had to be secured, but that's very old and only old electrical people really understand this issue.

Here's a link to a NEMA file you can read and see if there are any other references.
http://www.nema.org/DocUploads/44158211-7B58-47D8-9FAAD9A6AF31F408//LightingSystemsDivision.pdf


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#85358 06/29/03 08:12 PM
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Thank you Joe, i had surfed this NEMA section previous, no soap on the issue.

One would think that given.....
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The domestic luminaire industry represent about $4.5 billion with outdoor at $1.5 billion and indoor at $3.0 billion.
....there would be some reference.

The BB's have had individuals consider buried JB's, sleeving, insulation & scavenged thermals from IC cans as field fixes.

All bandaids....

As a follow up Q here, why would fan/lights, swagged fixtures, and luminares that have thier elements distal from the JB need instruct per 90C wire???

#85359 06/29/03 08:27 PM
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I'd love to have an inspector tell me that I needed to run a 90° conductor back to the panel.
I would ask him to cite the violation...can anybody give a Code reference that actually covers that??
Most of the other Code references don't apply.

[This message has been edited by electure (edited 06-29-2003).]

#85360 07/01/03 08:38 PM
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I'll do you one better Scott, i'd like to see the inspection community thru the IAEI make that call.

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