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#82846 12/20/02 07:18 PM
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I think I would put one on each end.It may be one more than what is required but it may get you some points with the customer that may come in handy on some other issue.Don't forget the range vent!
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#82847 12/21/02 11:17 PM
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So you install an outlet on the end. The owner plugs in a deep fryer and sits it on the counter. Their 3 year old pulls on the cord and ends up with boiling hot grease in the face. Damn I hate the code sometimes.

#82848 12/22/02 09:22 AM
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I agree Bob. I know it is code but I give the option to the homeowner. I explain the pros and cons and let them decide. AHJ is gennerally reasonable on this. Chris, you may win points for an extra recept or they may get mad that you cut two holes in their cabinets. You can't win!

#82849 12/22/02 10:36 AM
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Elecbob: Aren't there new special cords to prevent this from happening? (A magnet holds the cord connector to the fryer. If the cord is pulled, the magnet isn't strong enough to overturn the fryer but instead lets go.)

#82850 12/22/02 12:59 PM
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Brekaway cords what a great idea! They should be suppliedon all potentially dangerous appliances. Coffee makers, toasters, crock pots,etc.
I have installed outlets for peninsulas on the underside of countertops using wiremold. After the inspection I remove them. There is only a small hole in the drywall to patch. Is there any code issues if they are installed inside a cabinet with a door? If not, after inspection the outlet could be replaced with a blank cover.
Bob

#82851 12/22/02 10:40 PM
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Here in NJ if you or the homeowner doesn't want to follow the NEC you can ask for a variation to the code. This will allow the AHJ to forgo some of the code but it will also take the resposabilty away from them. For example, you don't want a receptacle on the island. The homeowner who has small children can ask for relif from the code, they may have to put in extra receptacles on the countertop in order to by pass the code, but they don't have to worry about one on the island because of the safety of their children. Some AHJ's will give this, and some will not. You might have to ask the ahj in your area if he will allow such a thing.

Harold

#82852 12/28/02 05:13 AM
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What is this AHJ you refer to? I was an EC in Nevada for 25 years and I'm sure we have the same person/office just called something else.

#82853 12/28/02 08:30 AM
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Authority Having Jurisdiction, in Tennessee they are state inspectors from the Dept of Commerce and Insurance. In other states they are private contractors hired by the EC to inspect electrical work, and in some states they are nonexistant.


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#82854 12/28/02 08:00 PM
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Harold,
Good point.
This past week I had a homeowner insist she did not want a receptacle in her peninsula.
The local inspector is permitting an additional receptacle in the wall at the start of the peninsula, instead.

#82855 12/28/02 10:09 PM
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Redsy,

After being a helper for 8 years and in my own business for 15 years I have seen a lot of people who don't want outlets on the island. I also knew/know many contracors who were sued for coffe pots falling on children and getting scalded. I also know it isn't the electrical contractor's (EC) fault that the code requires an outlet there. I have tons of arguments both pro and con about that outlet. At least here in NJ you can do something about it legally. A variation to the code will relieve the AHJ of responsability if the homeowner really doesn't want that outlet.

Harold

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