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LOL! well Joe, how could i possibly decline when my past rantings are so applicable?


Ok, down to biz...let me start with something simple ( this is bare bones..) and let those willing ammend it, perhaps that would be productive???


Abandonded Wiring

Wiring that is to be abandoned shall be marked, tagged and made unable to be energized.

PANEL ACTION: Reject.
PANEL STATEMENT: The submitter has not provided any substantiation to warrant changing the spelling of "abandoned" to "abandonded".

Abandoned Wiring

Wiring that is to be abandoned shall be marked, tagged and made unable to be energized.

secretary would not be my strong point...

Wiring that is to be abandoned in place shall be ...


My .02

[This message has been edited by Bill Addiss (edited 01-06-2002).]

ok....

Wiring that is to be abandoned in place shall be marked, tagged and made unable to be energized.

still a far cry from what has already been turned down here....


why was this considered 'a broad statement'? what is NFPA 1? Is there any existing FPN to this effect in the NEC now??

Sparky: No reference in the form of a FPN. Here is a summary of:
NFPA 1 Fire Prevention Code 2000 Edition

Chapter 1 Administration and Enforcement

1-1 Title.
1-2 Purpose.
1-3 Scope.
1-4 Authority.
1-5 Application.
1-6 Equivalencies and Alternatives.
1-7* Performance-Based Design.
1-8 Board of Appeals.
1-9 Occupancy.
1-10 Maintenance and Testing.
1-11 Records and Reports.
1-12 Duties and Powers of the Incident Commander.
1-13 Owner/Occupant Responsibilities.
1-14 Fire Reporting and False Alarms.
1-15 Tampering With Fire Safety Equipment.
1-16 Permits and Approvals.
1-17 Certificates of Fitness.
1-18 Plans Review.
1-19 Notice of Violations and Penalties.
1-20 Units.

Chapter 2 Definitions

2-1 Definitions.

Chapter 3 General Provisions

3-1 Fundamental Requirements.
3-2* Fire Drills.
3-3 Smoking.
3-4 Open Outdoor Fires, Incinerators, and Outdoor Fireplaces.
3-5 Fire Lanes.
3-6 Access Boxes.
3-7 Fire Protection Markings.
3-8 Vacant Buildings.
3-9 Combustible Vegetation.
3-10 Special Outdoor Events, Carnivals, and Fairs.

Chapter 4 Means of Egress

4-1 Application.
4-2 Minimum Width.
4-3 Number of Means of Egress.
4-4 Arrangement of Means of Egress.
4-5 Occupant Load.
4-6 Illumination of Means of Egress.
4-7* Emergency Lighting.
4-8 Marking of Means of Egress.
4-9 Means of Egress Reliability.

Chapter 5 Features of Fire Protection

5-1 General.
5-2 Construction.
5-3 Fire-Resistant Assemblies.
5-4 Fire Doors and Windows.
5-5 Interior Finish.
5-6 Furnishings, Contents, Decorations, and Treated Finishes.
5-7 Smoke Partitions.

Chapter 6 Building Services

6-1 Electrical Fire Safety.
6-2 Heating, Ventilation, and Air Conditioning.
6-3 Elevators, Escalators, and Conveyors.
6-4 Utilities.
6-5 Heating Appliances.
6-6 Rubbish Chutes, Incinerators, and Laundry Chutes.
6-7 Emergency and Standby Power.
6-8* Smoke Control.

Chapter 7 Fire Protection Systems

7-1 General.
7-2 Standpipe Systems.
7-3 Automatic Sprinklers.
7-4 Fire Pumps.
7-5 Water Supply.
7-6 Portable Extinguishers.
7-7 Detection, Alarm, and Communication Systems.
7-8 Other Fire Protection Systems.

Chapter 8 Occupancy Fire Safety

8-1 Assembly Occupancies.
8-2 Educational Occupancies.
8-3 Day-Care Occupancies.
8-4 Health Care Occupancies.
8-5 Residential Board and Care Occupancies.
8-6 Ambulatory Health Care Centers.
8-7 Detention and Correctional Occupancies.
8-8 Hotels and Dormitories.
8-9 Apartment Buildings.
8-10 Lodging or Rooming Houses.
8-11 One- and Two-Family Dwellings and Manufactured Housing.
8-12 Mercantile Occupancies.
8-13 Business Occupancies.
8-14 Industrial Occupancies, Application.
8-15 Storage Occupancies.
8-16 Special Structures and High-Rise Buildings, Application.
8-17 Historical Buildings.

Chapter 9 Aerosol Products

9-1 Application.

Chapter 10 Airports and Heliports

10-1 Hangars.
10-2 Terminals.
10-3 Roof-Top Heliport Construction and Protection.

Chapter 11 Cleanrooms

11-1 General.
11-2 Applicability.

Chapter 12 Combustible Waste, Refuse, and Fibers

12-1 Combustible Waste and Refuse.
12-2 Combustible Fibers.

Chapter 13 Commercial Cooking Equipment

13-1 Commercial Cooking Equipment.
13-2 Portable Fire Extinguishers.
13-3 Extinguishing Systems for Commercial Cooking Equipment.

Chapter 14 Drycleaning

14-1 General.
14-2 Permits.

Chapter 15 Dust Explosion Prevention

15-1 General.
15-2 Permits.

Chapter 16 Fireworks, Model Rocketry, and Explosives

16-1 Fireworks Displays.
16-2 Pyrotechnics Before a Proximate Audience.
16-3 Flame Effects Before an Audience.
16-4 Fireworks Manufacturing.
16-5 Model Rocketry.
16-6 Rocketry Manufacturing.
16-7 High Power Rocketry.
16-8 Explosives.
16-9 Ammonium Nitrate.
16-10 Sale, Handling, and Storage of Consumer Fireworks.

Chapter 17 Flammable and Combustible Liquids

17-1 General.
17-2* Storage, Handling and Use.
17-3 Spray Application Using Flammable or Combustible Materials.
17-4 Dipping and Coating Processes.
17-5 Solvent Extraction.
17-6* Handling Underground Releases of Flammable and Combustible Liquids.

Chapter 18 Hot Work Operations

18-1 General.
18-2 Fire Prevention Precautions.
18-3 Oxygen-Fuel Gas Systems.

Chapter 19 Industrial Ovens and Furnaces

19-1 General.
19-2 Location.
19-3 Safety Controls.

Chapter 20 Laboratories Using Chemicals

20-1 General.
20-2 Laboratories in Health Care Occupancies.
20-3 Permits.

Chapter 21 Liquefied Petroleum Gases and Liquefied Natural Gases

21-1 General Provisions.
21-2 LP-Gas Equipment and Appliances.
21-3 Installation of LP-Gas Systems.
21-4 LP-Gas Liquid Transfer.
21-5 Storage of Portable Containers Awaiting Use or Resale.
21-6 Vehicular Transportation of LP-Gas.
21-7 LP-Gases at Utility Plants.
21-8 Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG).

Chapter 22 Marinas, Boatyards, Marine Terminals, Piers, and Wharves

22-1 Marinas and Boatyards.
22-2 Marine Terminals, Piers, and Wharves.
22-3 Construction, Repair, and Lay-Up of Vessels.

Chapter 23 Mechanical Refrigeration

23-1 General.
23-2 Classifications.
23-3 Maintenance and Installation.
23-4* Emergency Discharge of Ammonia Refrigerant.

Chapter 24 Oxidizers and Organic Peroxides

24-1 General.
24-2 Liquid and Solid Oxidizers.
24-3 Organic Peroxide Formulations.

Chapter 25 Parking Garages

25-1 General.

Chapter 26 Pesticides and Herbicides

26-1 General.
26-2 Application.
26-3 Applicability of Other Documents.
26-4 Hazard Identification.
26-5 Temporary Storage.

Chapter 27 Manufactured Home and Recreational Vehicle Sites

27-1 Manufactured Home Sites.
27-2 Recreational Vehicle Parks and Campgrounds.

Chapter 28 Refueling

28-1 General.
28-2 Automotive Fuel Servicing.
28-3 Aircraft Fuel Servicing.
28-4 Marine Service Stations.
28-5 Alternate Fuels.

Chapter 29 Safeguards During Building Construction, Alteration, and Demolition Operations

29-1 General Requirements.
29-2 Fire Safety During Construction.
29-3 Fire Safety During Demolition.
29-4 Torch-Applied Roofing Systems.
29-5 Tar Kettles.

Chapter 30 Service Stations and Repair Garages

30-1 Service Stations.
30-2 Repair Garages.

Chapter 31 Grandstands and Bleachers, Folding and Telescopic Seating, Tents, and Membrane
Structures

31-1 General.
31-2 Permanent Membrane Structures.
31-3 Temporary Membrane Structures.
31-4 Tents.
31-5 New Grandstands.
31-6 Existing Grandstands.
31-7 New Folding and Telescopic Seating.
31-8 Existing Folding and Telescopic Seating.
31-9 Maintenance of Outdoor Grandstands.
31-10 Maintenance and Operation of Folding and Telescopic Seating.

Chapter 32 Referenced Publications

32-1

Appendix A Explanatory Material
Appendix B Oxidizers and Organic Peroxides

B-1
B-2 Oxidizers.
B-3 Organic Peroxide Formulations.

Appendix C Sample Ordinance Adopting the Fire Prevention Code
Appendix D Referenced Publications

D-1

Tentative Interim Amendment

Committee Scope: This Committee shall have primary responsibility for documents on a Fire Prevention Code that includes appropriate administrative provisions, to be used with the National Fire Codes for the installation, operation, and maintenance of buildings, structures, and premises for the purpose of providing safety to life and property from fire and explosion. This includes development of requirements for, and maintenance of, systems and equipment for fire control and extinguishment. Safety to life of occupants of buildings and structures is under the primary jurisdiction of the Committee on Safety to Life.

Here is Chapter 6:

Chapter 6 Building Services
6-1 Electrical Fire Safety.
6-1.1
This section shall apply to new, existing, permanent, or temporary electrical appliances, equipment, fixtures, or wiring.
Exception: Existing installations shall be permitted to be continued in use provided the lack of conformity does not present an imminent hazard danger.
6-1.2
All electrical appliances, fixtures, equipment, or wiring shall be installed and maintained in accordance with NFPA 70, National Electrical Code®.
6-1.3
Permanent wiring shall be installed and maintained in accordance with NFPA 70, National Electrical Code.
6-1.4
Permanent wiring abandoned in place shall be tagged or otherwise identified at its termination and junction points as “Abandoned in Place” or removed from all accessible areas and insulated from contact with other live electrical wiring or devices.
6-1.5
Extension cords shall not be used as a substitute for permanent wiring.
6-2 Heating, Ventilation, and Air Conditioning.
6-2.1
Air-conditioning, heating, and ventilating ductwork and related equipment shall be installed in accordance with NFPA 90A, Standard for the Installation of Air-Conditioning and Ventilating Systems, or NFPA 90B, Standard for the Installation of Warm Air Heating and Air-Conditioning Systems, as applicable.
Exception: Existing installations shall be permitted to be continued in service, subject to approval by the authority having jurisdiction.
6-2.2
Ventilating or heat-producing equipment shall be installed in accordance with NFPA 91, Standard for Exhaust Systems for Air Conveying of Vapors, Gases, Mists, and Noncombustible Particulate Solids; NFPA 211, Standard for Chimneys, Fireplaces, Vents, and Solid Fuel-Burning Appliances; NFPA 31, Standard for the Installation of Oil-Burning Equipment; NFPA 54, National Fuel Gas Code; or NFPA 70, National Electrical Code, as applicable.
Exception: Existing installations shall be permitted to be continued in service, subject to approval by the authority having jurisdiction.
6-2.3
Ventilating systems in laboratories using chemicals shall be installed in accordance with NFPA 45, Standard on Fire Protection for Laboratories Using Chemicals, or NFPA 99, Standard for Health Care Facilities, as appropriate.
6-3 Elevators, Escalators, and Conveyors.
6-3.1 Fire Fighters’ Service.
6-3.1.1
All new elevators shall conform to the Fire Fighters’ Service Requirements of ASME/ANSI A17.1, Safety Code for Elevators and Escalators. (101:9.4.3.1)
6-3.1.2
All existing elevators having a travel distance of 25 ft (7.6 m) or more above or below the level that best serves the needs of emergency personnel for fire fighting or rescue purposes shall conform to the Fire Fighters’ Service Requirements of ASME/ANSI A17.3, Safety Code for Existing Elevators and Escalators. (101:9.4.3.2)
6-3.2 Elevator Testing.
Elevators shall be subject to routine and periodic inspections and tests as specified in ASME/ANSI A17.1, Safety Code for Elevators and Escalators. All elevators equipped with fire fighter service in accordance with 6-3.1.1 and 6-3.1.2 shall be subject to a monthly operation with a written record of the findings made and kept on the premises as required by ASME/ANSI A17.1, Safety Code for Elevators and Escalators. (101:9.4.6)
6-3.3 Openings.
Conveyors, elevators, dumbwaiters, and pneumatic conveyors serving various stories of a building shall not open to an exit. (101:9.4.7)
6-4 Utilities.
Equipment using fuel gas and related gas piping shall be installed in accordance with NFPA 54, National Fuel Gas Code, or NFPA 58, Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code.
Exception: Existing installations shall be permitted to be continued in service, subject to approval by the authority having jurisdiction.
6-5 Heating Appliances.
6-5.1 General.
6-5.1.1
The installation of liquid fuel-fired heating appliances shall comply with this chapter and NFPA 31, Standard for the Installation of Oil-Burning Equipment.
6-5.1.2
The installation of gas-fired heating appliances shall comply with this chapter and NFPA 54, National Fuel Gas Code. (See Chapter 21 for LP-Gas fuel supply and storage installations.)
6-5.1.3
This chapter shall not apply to internal combustion engines, oil lamps, or portable devices not otherwise covered in this Code or NFPA 31, Standard for the Installation of Oil-Burning Equipment, such as blow torches, melting pots, and weed burners. (See Chapter 5 of NFPA 31 for portable devices that are covered.) (31:1-1.3)
6-5.1.4
All heating appliances shall be approved or listed.
6-5.1.5 Permits.
Permits, where required, shall comply with Section 1-16.
6-5.1.6
Electrical wiring and equipment used in connection with oil-burning equipment shall be installed in accordance with NFPA 70, National Electrical Code. (31:1-13.1)
6-5.1.7
The grade of fuel oil used in a burner shall be that for which the burner is approved and as stipulated by the manufacturer. Crankcase oil or any oil containing gasoline shall not be used. For use of oil fuels other than those defined herein, see Section 1-3 of NFPA 31.
Exception: Where acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction, oil-burning equipment designed to burn crankcase oil shall be permitted to be used in commercial or industrial occupancies. Such oil-burning equipment shall be listed for use with crankcase oils and shall be installed in accordance with the manufacturers’ instructions and the terms of their listing. (See Section 1-16 of NFPA 31.) (31:1-15.1)
6-5.2 Kerosene Burners and Oil Stoves.
6-5.2.1
Kerosene burners and oil stoves shall be equipped with a primary safety control furnished as an integral part of the appliance by the manufacturer to stop the flow of oil in the event of flame failure. Barometric oil feed shall not be considered a primary safety control.
6-5.2.2
A conversion range oil burner shall be equipped with a thermal (heat actuated) valve in the oil supply line, located in the burner compartment of the stove.
6-5.2.3
Only listed kerosene heaters shall be used. The following safeguards shall apply:
(1) Provide adequate ventilation.
(2) Do not place on carpeting.
(3) Keep 3 ft (0.9 m) away from combustible furnishings or drapes.
(4) Use only approved Type 1-K water clear kerosene.
(5) Allow to cool before refueling.
6-5.3 Portable Electric Heater.
6-5.3.1
The authority having jurisdiction shall be permitted to prohibit use of portable electric heaters in occupancies or situations where such use or operation would present an undue danger to life or property.
6-5.3.2
Portable electric heaters shall be designed and located so that they cannot be easily overturned.
6-5.3.3
All portable electric heaters shall be listed.
6-5.4 Vents.
All chimneys, smokestacks, or similar devices for conveying smoke or hot gases to the outer air and the stoves, furnaces, incinerators, boilers, or any other heat-producing devices or appliances shall be installed and maintained in accordance with NFPA 54, National Fuel Gas Code, and NFPA 211, Standard for Chimneys, Fireplaces, Vents, and Solid Fuel-Burning Appliances.
6-6 Rubbish Chutes, Incinerators, and Laundry Chutes.
6-6.1 Enclosure.
Rubbish chutes and laundry chutes shall be separately enclosed by walls or partitions in accordance with the provisions of Section 8.2 of NFPA 101. Inlet openings serving chutes shall be protected in accordance with Section 8.2 of NFPA 101. Doors of such chutes shall open only to a room that is designed and used exclusively for accessing the chute opening. The room shall be separated from other spaces in accordance with Section 8.4 of NFPA 101.
Exception No. 1: Existing installations having properly enclosed service chutes and properly installed and maintained service openings shall be permitted to have inlets open to a corridor or normally occupied space.
Exception No. 2: Rubbish chutes and laundry chutes shall be permitted to open into rooms not exceeding 400 ft2 (37 m2) in area used for storage, provided that the room is protected by automatic sprinklers. (101:9.5.1)
6-6.2 Installation and Maintenance.
Rubbish chutes, laundry chutes, and incinerators shall be installed and maintained in accordance with NFPA 82, Standard on Incinerators and Waste and Linen Handling Systems and Equipment, unless existing installations, which shall be permitted to be continued in service, subject to approval by the authority having jurisdiction. (101:9.5.2)
6-7 Emergency and Standby Power.
6-7.1 Emergency Generators.
Emergency generators, where required for compliance with this Code, shall be tested and maintained in accordance with NFPA 110, Standard for Emergency and Standby Power Systems. (101:9.1.3)
6-7.2
Stored electrical energy systems shall be maintained in accordance with NFPA 111, Standard on Stored Electrical Energy Emergency and Standby Power Systems. (101:9.1.4)
6-8* Smoke Control.
Smoke control systems, where required or permitted by this Code, shall have an approved maintenance and testing program to ensure operational integrity. The purpose of such smoke control systems shall be to confine smoke to the general area of fire origin and maintain use of the means of egress system.

Thank you Joe.
Now being code for fire alarms should justify the same elsewhere in the code , should'nt it??

Sparky:

Yes, I believe that the Committee Scope I posted above for NFPA 1 helps to support your recommendations.

The National Fire Codes [NFC] include many of the rules that appear in NFPA 1, and can be determined by reference to Chapter 31.

I have the NFPA CD scbscription for the NFC so it helps me to find items that are related to our industry. You would be suprised if you knew about some of the "electrical" requirements that are beyond, or not considered by the NEC.

Do you think that it would be a good idea to develop threads here on a few of them? If there is enough interest, I would be happy to prepare the subjects and post them soon.

Joe,
yes i am surprised!
The bottom line would seem that a fire marshal would require by NFPA 1 something that I (we as electricians) would have no NEC reference to.
Not to belittle the safety concerns, but this could also become a contractual quagmire.

and yes, your references are eyeopening, please continue, thanks

Joe,
Please do go on! This is a very interesting thread!!