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#79199 12/03/01 04:49 PM
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Do underground service entrance conductors installed by directional boring method rather than trenching require a warning ribbon?

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#79200 12/03/01 05:06 PM
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Yes. There were proposals made to provide such an exemption, but they were rejected. The chances of damage from future excavation do not change just because you used a closed rather than open excavation method for the installation. If you want to bore you will have to do it twice, one for the cable and one for the ribbon.
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#79201 12/04/01 09:12 PM
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As the result of a follow up question to me from Scott on this subject via e-mail I did some additional research. My original post is not entirely correct.
A proposal was submitted to the NFPA for a change in 300-5(d) for the 2002 code. This was proposal 3-43. The proposal asked that the following wording be added to 300-5(d): "Horizontally bored service laterals shall be exempt from this requirement." Code Making Panel 3 rejected the proposal with the statement that; "Present language only addresses trenching, not boring, thus boring is already excluded from the ribbon requirement".
This indicates to me that the panel did not intend to require a ribbon above cables that were installed by boring. It aprears to me, that based on the panel comment, if you are operating under the 99 code, a ribbon would not be required for conductors installed by boring. Also note the new wording applies to all underground service conductors, not just service laterals as in the 99 code.
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#79202 12/06/01 09:14 PM
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The chances of damage from future excavation do not change just because you used a closed rather than open excavation method for the installation.
I agree with this statement more than the panels findings.


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