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#74030 01/12/07 05:38 PM
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T-5s are good, they are also still fairly expensive to buy lamps and ballasts for.

I also see a much higher failure rate with T-5s.

I am sure the technology will improve and the price will drop,

With that in mind I would light a typical garage with T-8's they work well, are inexpensive and durable.

JMO, Bob


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#74031 01/12/07 05:41 PM
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but i have used the HO fixtures many times with out any problem. and they will provide good amount of light.

I agree they did work fine, I have installed many. [Linked Image] My own garage and part of my basement have 8' HOs.

But you will see all T-12 size lamps being phased out. I am not sure the reasons but they are going away.


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Not sure of the reason??? Think energy efficiency and government environmental mandates.

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Although this is not about the task lighting you are talking about here, i might suggest another incandecent light on a motion/occupancy sensor. That way you are never wandering around out there in the dark. It helps when your arms are full.

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Do you guys have an fixture recommendations for T-8 installations? I am particularly interested surface mount fixtures that are suitable for frequent switching, eg. with 'programmed start' ballasts.

-Jon

#74035 01/14/07 01:25 AM
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Lithonia offers programmed start ballasts as an option across their full line of T-8 fixtures. Not sure how much extra they cost, or how many you have to buy, but they will supply them.

I suspect that other manufacturers are the same. The big question will be the term to payback of the increase in initial cost.

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Rather then going with the 96" T-8 HO fixtures. I ordered the 96" channels with four T-5 54 watt HO lamps.

I will be needing sunglasses in the garage if I have them all on at once.

Thanks for you your comments

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I see many of you have stated that T8's light in very cold weather and to discard HO T96's.
I put T8 in my personal garage ands when it gets in to the 40's F One of them wont start till it has been on for a while. Colder it gets the worse it is.

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Well that is not 'normal' you may have a weak ballast.

In general the T-8s will light right away but will take a few minutes to come to full intensity.

Same as any of the CFLs that have become so popular.

When you replace a typical 2 lamp 8' HO with a typical 4 lamp 8' T-8 you will have greater light output and the power consumption is less than 1/2 of the HOs.

A typical F96-T12/HO 2 lamp 120 ballast uses 237 watts and has a min start temp of -20F

2 lamp 8'Ballast


A typical F32-T8 4 lamp 120 ballast uses 112 watts and has a min start temp of 0 F

4 lamp 4' ballast


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I have changed some new old stock 2 lamp T-8 ballasts that were in vapor tite fixtures. That were not 0 degree start. They were 50 degree. Since we were putting them in walk-in coolers.. the 50 degree ballasts had to go.

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