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#67062 06/25/06 07:41 PM
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I had a home inspector list a number of items wrong on one of my clients houses that is for sale. One item was to change the receptacle in the toilet room to a GFCI. This room only has a toilet. I told him he was wrong. The definition of a bathroom includes a sink. I installed the GFCI anyway, but I believe he was wrong. He also said the oven (rated at 240v/8500 watts) was over-fused. It had a double-pole 40 breaker. I didn't change it, but quoted sect.210-19(A)(3). Was I wrong?

#67063 06/25/06 08:18 PM
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On the GFCI issue, you are correct. No sink, it's not a bathroom. But, GFCI's are cheap, so no harm done.

As for the oven, "overfusing" would depend upon the size of the wire feeding it. Assuming #8 or larger, I don't see a problem there, either.

You're not the first to have had issues with HI's. You might be diplomatic, and ask the bozo to check out some HI web sites, for some "clarification."

#67064 06/25/06 08:46 PM
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Question, cause I don't know...

If this toilet room, is located inside a room that has a sink, then I would think this does require GFCI protection.

The sink doesn't have to be inside the same room as the toilet does it?

A room within a room, is what I am trying to explain..

#67065 06/25/06 08:57 PM
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A room within a room is another room. If you have to open the door to wash your hands after using the toilet the toilet room is not a bathroom.


Greg Fretwell
#67066 06/25/06 09:48 PM
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But a bathroom is defined as an "area", not a single room..

#67067 06/27/06 09:26 PM
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is he the realtors inspector or the authority having jurisdiction.

#67068 06/28/06 07:35 PM
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Peter; this is the realtor's "home inspector"...definately the AHJ.

Dnk; this is a room with a door off the sink room...kind of like a closet off a bedroom...perhaps this brings up the AFI in a bedroom closet discussion

Reno; the cable was 6/3 SER alum. And to be diplomatic, I'd call him "Mr. Bozo"!

#67069 06/28/06 09:47 PM
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HLC, I believe he was right then, this should be a bathroom.

IMO

[This message has been edited by Dnkldorf (edited 06-28-2006).]

#67070 06/29/06 07:12 AM
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That's a water closet I guess.

However, the big question would be: why does anyone need an outlet there anyway??? A ceiling light or wall sconce should be well enough.

#67071 06/29/06 12:42 PM
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Maybe he was looking at the toilet room from the aspect of a guy on a three day bender stumbling in to relieve himself, loosing aim and ZAP! Stranger things have happened.

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