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In case you missed it in your haste to get in here, here is the agreement:

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Liability issues aside, - generally speaking, answering questions from DIYers requires an extra amount of effort -

First, to correctly assess the situation from info given, then the skill and comprehension level of the person asking, and finally to include correct and all applicable information in a way they can understand it.

This is a tall order. We're not teachers here, and even if we were - quite honestly, doing this continually would become very tedious and annoying to many people here.

There are many websites that cater to the DIYer, this website is here to help people involved in, or somehow related to the Electrical Industry. This assumes that there is some basic understanding and/or skill level already reached, or in the case of apprentices (and others new to the field), that they also have other source(s) of instruction and information.

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First off, a big thumbs up to the moderators for all of their hard work in keeping things under control here. [Linked Image]

There are many topics I have been involved in where the debate was quite lively, but never offensive or lowered to the level of personal insults or bashing. (Like the Shared neutrals and panels in bedrooms, for example.)

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Whether the Webmaster or any of the moderators disagree or agree with someone's opinion has nothing to do with the way that this Forum is moderated, and never has.

That is very true!! If it weren't, most of my posts in the threads I mentioned would have been deleted! [Linked Image] We all have our methods and reasons and everyone here has shown nothing but respect for that fact, and a willingness to discuss the differences of opinion.

I have made a few mistakes in the past, one was using a slang word which here in the U.S. has no real meaning, but is vulgar elsewhere. My post was edited and I got a very polite email from the moderator letting me know that the word had an objectionable meaning. No problem and no offence taken.

In another thread I posed a reply in which I feel helped to start the replies down the wrong path, despite the intention of making up a new and funny acronym (which I didn't explain in the post, that was the biggest mistake.) Again, after looking things over, I would have done it differently given the chance to correct it.

To kain10, I respectfully suggest that you learn from all the information in this thread, and elsewhere on this site. There are a lot of good people here who are willing to help and would value your input to any of the discussions.

Keep in mind that when posting on any forum, we cannot see your face or hear your voice to be able to fully understand the meaning of what is said, so you (and I) must choose words carefully, using smilies when necessary [Linked Image] to help make clear what we're trying to say.

So jump back in, share your experiences with us and you will learn a lot here. I sure have!!

Thanks everyone for putting up with this long post! [Linked Image]

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Good post Tony!, [Linked Image]
I'm a Moderator at a few sites around the world and I must say that ECN is one of the most smoothly run sites of the lot.
That is mainly because the members are aware of the rules.
To back the Moderators up here, we don't really have to do a great deal, please, lets keep it that way, it makes ECN all that more enjoyable for everyone.
kain10,
I agree with the comments of mxslick, you can learn a LOT here, we have built up a HEAP of collective knowledge here and it still keeps flowing on in.
Normal everyday life is hard enough, we are not trying to make life any more difficult, who needs that?.
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Liability issues aside, - generally speaking, answering questions from DIYers requires an extra amount of effort -

First, to correctly assess the situation from info given, then the skill and comprehension level of the person asking, and finally to include correct and all applicable information in a way they can understand it.

This is a tall order. We're not teachers here, and even if we were - quite honestly, doing this continually would become very tedious and annoying to many people here.

There are many websites that cater to the DIYer, this website is here to help people involved in, or somehow related to the Electrical Industry. This assumes that there is some basic understanding and/or skill level already reached, or in the case of apprentices (and others new to the field), that they also have other source(s) of instruction and information.

Which is why I will be going back to my corner. [Linked Image]


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ctardi:

Please don't go off hiding in a corner. [Linked Image]

There are lots of areas of theoretical and practical discussions where you can participate. And you can always comment during existing threads at any time, keeping in mind the rules and guidelines of the forum.

And yes, there are some gray area questions where you may think it's a "DIY" type question, but I think the moderators will generally agree with me, you should ask anyways and if it's too far off track, you'll be notified.

As someone just finishing High School, you're to be commended for seeking out information in any form, that shows motivation and willingness to learn!!

The only really stupid question is often the unasked one. [Linked Image]

Best of luck to you!! [Linked Image]


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I come to this board because I have a like the fact that the people here are friendly to one another. We don't get people flaming you for posting a "dumb" question. I have been to other sites where the people will jump you for any little thing that gets them mad. Then the discussion gets heated and out of hand. I hope all the good people will stay here, talk nice, and be courtious to one another.

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