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#48327 02/10/05 12:04 AM
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I would use a Wago for this, definately not a split bolt.

#48328 02/10/05 12:24 AM
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If you go with the split-bolt you run the risk of a red tag. Split bolts are listed for 2 conductors only.


Ilsco makes a listed 3 conductor split bolt. The listing limitation of 2 wires is 2 wires of the max size for the bolt- for instance a #2 split bolt has a listed max for 2 #2 conductors. When used with smaller conductors such as #12 the amount allowed is raised.

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When used with smaller conductors such as #12 the amount allowed is raised.
No. You can only install the listed wire combinations in any splicing device.
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I have never seen on any of those charts show you can put more than 5 wires under a single connector. I believe method of shoving all these wires under one wire nut is poor.

Ideal #30-454

3 to 6 12 AWG

5 or 6 14 AWG

If you make the splice as Hal (hbiss) described it will be a fine splice.

This thread is a good illustration of how we each have are own methods of working and each way is 'right' for us. [Linked Image]

For myself

The 'bridge' method described by macmikeman would be a last resort for me.

I would need a gun to my head to use a Wago as described by Electric Eagle.

A split bolt for 6 or 8 conductors, not a chance.

To each their own as long as it meets code. [Linked Image]

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#48331 02/10/05 10:30 AM
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I believe method of shoving all these wires under one wire nut is poor
The trick is not to shove the wires under the wire nut. If you can make a good splice it does not matter if you have five or six wires as long as the wirenut is rated for it.

[This message has been edited by Electricmanscott (edited 02-10-2005).]

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Try the Ideal In-sure connectors. I picked some up at Depot. Work for 2 to 8 wires I think. Here is a link.
They also have a test port.
http://www.idealindustries.com/IDEAL-EZ/products.nsf/ItemMasterLookup/p30-688?OpenDocument


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Bill those are another kind of 'Wagos'

[Linked Image from idealindustries.com]

There are UL listed and could be used for the splice the opening post asked about.

I will not use them.

Back stab receptacles where / are UL listed also and their history of failure is high enough in my mind not to use them either.

I have a hard time believing that the small piece of spring steel that makes contact with the wire makes a connection as reliable as a properly installed wire-nut.

That is just my opinion and how I choose to work, as I said earlier to each their own. [Linked Image]

Bob


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#48334 02/10/05 02:49 PM
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Yep

Sorry my first response was inteded for the opening question.


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Bill no reason to be sorry and welcome to ECN. [Linked Image]

Don't let my personal opinion(s) keep you from expressing yours.

We all have an equal say here, it is an open forum.

I may have 'Moderator' under my name but that does not mean my opinion is anymore valid then a new member.

Keep on posting. [Linked Image]

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#48336 02/10/05 03:34 PM
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The only place I would use the Wago type connectors is in a fixture for a ballast change. Most of the sockets are push in and so are some of the ballasts. The fixture manufactures also use them to extend the wires for an 8' fixture.

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