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#32148 12/18/03 12:27 PM
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So, it stands to reason then, that the jumper wire between the inlet and outlet sides of the water meter is there not just for electrical continuity in the absence of the meter, but to keep the meter guy from getting the "shock-of-a-lifetime" when changing out a meter. [Linked Image]

#32149 12/18/03 03:07 PM
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Gene,

In my area there's a heavy metal yoke that goes across the 2 sides that provides continuity without the jumper. Our local AHJ considers the yoke sufficient to bond both sides so only one connection is really required.

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P.S. Folks: I know this shows 2 connections and that they are in bad shape .... picture posted to show the yoke.

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#32151 12/18/03 05:00 PM
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If there were two meters within the yoke, would we need a handle (valve) tie.

Sorry about that, I just couldn't resist. [Linked Image]

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#32152 12/18/03 10:22 PM
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If there were two meters within the yoke, would we need a handle (valve) tie.
LOL!!!!!!!!!...but not if it were split yolks..{rimshot}...ok,ok,..I'll stick to my attic work!!:0:0


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#32153 12/18/03 10:48 PM
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OK,

ENOUGH with the Yolks Folks! ...

... What was the question? [Linked Image]

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I like my yokes over-easy please! [Linked Image]

#32155 12/19/03 11:26 PM
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Hello all;

Everyone already contributed perfect explanations and examples of the "What-For's" and 'Why's" regarding this topic (the original topic of open noodle problems - that is!)

To add more of the common Hyper Nerd inclusion here as usual, consider the following:
(Use the 1Ø 3W center tapped Transformer Schematic - attached by Sparky - as working example)

Scenario #1: NJ Wirenut' example situation;

As posted by 'NJ, here is an example of two different types of loads, one with a very LOW Resistance to the current flow (the portable heater), and the other with a very HIGH Impedance to the current flow (the VCR's Power Supply).
Just a side note: the different terms used "Resistance" and "Impedance" are due to the way each type of load "works" against the current flow.
The Heater (without a Fan), is a simple Resistor, however the VCR's Power Supply will be connected to the AC line via the Primary of a Transformer - which will "Impede" the current flow through it; hence the term "Impedance" is used. Impedance still results in an opposition to current flow, so for sake of "Easier Understood Terms", I will refer to all opposition as "Resistance".

Using the Schematic quoted earlier, if the two separate loads are placed individually across A-center tap (or B-center tap), each will see only a potential of 120 Volts.
If one load is placed between A and center tap, and the other placed between B and center tap, the results are still the same: 120 Volts is the potential.
Now, if we cut the wire going to the center tap - right outside of the winding, the two loads are connected in a Series fashion.
In this setup, the load with the HIGHEST Resistance to the flow of current will have the HIGHEST potential (Voltage) impressed across it.
The opposite can be said about the other load - the one with the LOWEST Resistance to current flow will have the LOWEST potential impressed across it.

The VCR will have the HIGHEST Resistance to current flow, since it is designed to draw only minimal amount of True Power (Wattage) from the AC Power Source (the PoCo's Transformer, and eventually the Generator its self). This would be in the range of maybe 35 Watts. Under normal operation, the Transformer will "allow" maybe upto ½ ampere @ 120 VAC. This translates into 240 Ohms Impedance (in this case, Z, or Impedance is more accurate than Resistance - but for simplicity, think "Resistance).
The Heater will have the LOWEST Resistance to current flow, since it is designed to draw a large amount of True Power from the AC Power Source. For this example, we will say the Heater is designed to draw 1200 Watts @ 120 Volts - which results in 10 amps flowing at 120 volts, or a Resistance of 12 Ohms. In this case, the proper term will be "Resistance".

With these two in series, the overall Resistance will be 252 Ohms. In a Series setup, the total potential (Voltage) will now be 240 Volts (since we cut the center tap conductor outside the Transformer).

This is where a wierd thing happens! 252 Ohms Resistance connected to a power supply with a potential of 240 Volts, results in a current flow of 0.95 amperes. This will have odd results in each element.
The VCR's Transformer has an Impedance of 240 Ohms. According to Ohms Law, if the element has 0.95 amps flowing through it and the Resistance is 240 Ohms, the Voltage needed to push that 0.95 amps through it will be 228 Volts.
The Heater has a Resistance of 12 Ohms. With 0.95 amps flowing through it, the Voltage required to push that "almost an amp" of current will be 11.4 Volts - or for sake of simplicity, 12 Volts. Notice that this equals the "Missing" Voltage from the VCR (240 V - 228 V).

Here's the crazy part! With 228 Volts pushing 0.95 amps across the 240 Ohm Impedance of the VCR's Power Supply, this will result in 216.6 Watts of True Power being drawn from the AC Power Source and "Dumped" into the Transformer - resulting in smoke loss within an hour.
The Heater will hardly even get hot! Only 11.4 Watts of True Power will be dumped into the Heater! The total True Power (Wattage) drawn by both loads will be 228 Watts.

Scenario #2: Roger's Drawing;

Roger has included a great drawing, which will physically show the results of the stuff described above! The resulting failure will not be as much smoke as it will be bright flash of light, then no light at all! [Linked Image]
In Roger's example, the values are 12 Ohms and 36 Ohms.

Let's see if you can conclude the results of this example below:

120 Ohm load + 180 Ohm load across 240 Volt circuit. Each load is designed to be connected to 120 Volt system only.

Good luck, and have fun!!!

Scott35

P.S. There was a thread from a few weeks / months back, which asked:
"What Happens if a 40 Watt 120 Volt Lamp and a 60 Watt 120 Volt Lamp are connected in Series, then connected to a 120 Volt power source - which Lamp will be the brightest". This is a great brain picker!

S.E.T.


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#32156 12/20/03 02:55 PM
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Scott, thank you for the compliment. [Linked Image]

Don't you want to say something about Bill's yoke? [Linked Image]

Roger

#32157 12/22/03 04:43 PM
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Wow! And I thought just a simple question would get a simple answer [Linked Image]

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