ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
ShoutChat
Recent Posts
Increasing demand factors in residential
by tortuga - 03/28/24 05:57 PM
Portable generator question
by Steve Miller - 03/19/24 08:50 PM
Do we need grounding?
by NORCAL - 03/19/24 05:11 PM
240V only in a home and NEC?
by dsk - 03/19/24 06:33 AM
Cordless Tools: The Obvious Question
by renosteinke - 03/14/24 08:05 PM
New in the Gallery:
This is a new one
This is a new one
by timmp, September 24
Few pics I found
Few pics I found
by timmp, August 15
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 265 guests, and 15 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
#216840 02/23/16 11:43 PM
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 240
Member
OK this is pretty simple one, but I need someone to agree with me or set me straight...I was working with a buddies JW at a print shop(I help man his jobs from time to time) we were pulling wire in emt, I would ask him what colors and he would say red/black for ALL the 208 loads, but when I looked at his make up in the panel he spliced blue to some of the wires for the phasing, instead of laying out the circuits ahead of time(like anybody would do) he just pulled then spliced to keep phasing. Am I crazy or is this a violations? How is this different then taping? And yes it was #10 AWG so re-identifying isn't allowed, unless I am wrong!
Thanks in advance,
H2O

Stay up to Code with the Latest NEC:


>> 2023 NEC & Related Reference & Exam Prep
2023 NEC & Related Reference & Study Guides

Pass Your Exam the FIRST TIME with the Latest NEC & Exam Prep

>> 2020 NEC & Related Reference & Study Guides
 

watersparkfalls #216842 02/24/16 12:52 AM
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 984
Likes: 1
G
Member
With regard to your last sentence, the general rule in the NEC is that if the individual conductors are available in different colors, you need to use the colored wire.
Re-identifying is generally only allowed when there is ho way to buy wires with colored insulation (like 500 kcmil).


Ghost307
watersparkfalls #216855 02/24/16 04:59 PM
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 7,381
Likes: 7
Member
Ghost.....
Sim-Pul (Southwire) has a rainbow of colors, up to 750KCMil including green.



John
watersparkfalls #216861 02/24/16 08:04 PM
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 240
Member
thanks, I know you can't re-identify #6 or smaller. Just wondering if there was a reason or exception to splicing in the panel that would see this as anything other than what is was, which is re-identifying.

H2O

watersparkfalls #216863 02/24/16 09:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,445
Likes: 2
Cat Servant
Member
No doubt the guy is just playing games- he wants his work to 'look professional' while not actually bothering to BE professional.

Technically, I don't think you're actually required by the code to identify the phases at all ... the entire panel could use pink wire and still be fine. I believe the requirement to identify things by voltage and phase applies only when there are more than one power system in the building- say. 480/277 and 208/120.

Ironically, I'm currently involved in a job where the opposite situation developed; the wire crew pulled in three colors, then the service crew installed a single-phase service. There goes the color coding!

As for larger sizes, I have seen increasing numbers of contractors think they're now required to use colored wire, choose to do so for a 'clean' look to their work, or who think the inspector / customer "wants" colored wires. (I'm referring to the big stuff here, too!)

Now, while we're on the topic .... why is there pink wire, but no pink electrical tape? laugh

watersparkfalls #216864 02/24/16 10:37 PM
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,923
Likes: 32
G
Member
Leave the red tape out in the sun long enough and it will be pink


Greg Fretwell
watersparkfalls #216867 02/26/16 11:34 AM
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 21
A
Member
Re-identifying is allowed except for 200.6 for grounded conductors (white), and 250.119 for equipment grounding conductors (green) 6 AWG and smaller, except in certain circumstances, such as multiconductor cable.

Last edited by ampherder; 02/26/16 11:35 AM.
watersparkfalls #216868 02/26/16 12:15 PM
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 984
Likes: 1
G
Member
No offense to any potential pink-lovers in the audience, but I think it would get red tagged if there was no way to tell Phase A, Phase B and Phase C apart from one another.


Ghost307
renosteinke #216869 02/26/16 12:37 PM
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 21
A
Member
Originally Posted by renosteinke

Now, while we're on the topic .... why is there pink wire, but no pink electrical tape? laugh


Why is there so much black electricians tape but so few black electricians?

watersparkfalls #216870 02/26/16 12:47 PM
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 984
Likes: 1
G
Member


Ghost307
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Link Copied to Clipboard
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5