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#215683 - 07/01/15 09:57 AM Some transformers work fine when powered from sec
LarryC Offline
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Why do some transformers work just fine when powered from the secondary and other don't?

I was using a small (500VA) 240 to 120 step down transformer as a step up for a small load, and I could only get 200V when powering the 120V winding with 120V.
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#215684 - 07/01/15 10:56 AM Re: Some transformers work fine when powered from sec [Re: LarryC]
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The turns ratio is calculated to account for the losses inherent in the transformation.
Instead of adding more power to compensate for the 240 to 120 losses...you may be deducting twice that value when going from 120 to 240.

The effect is much less noticeable in large transformers so you may not notice it in those cases.
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#215685 - 07/01/15 09:45 PM Re: Some transformers work fine when powered from sec [Re: LarryC]
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Larry, are you saying that the unloaded voltage was only 200VAC? Did you verify it by driving the primary at 240VAC? I've driven quite a few backwards and everything followed the turns ratio.
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#215686 - 07/02/15 12:55 AM Re: Some transformers work fine when powered from sec [Re: LarryC]
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I wonder if it was really 208-120.
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#215692 - 07/02/15 03:13 PM Re: Some transformers work fine when powered from sec [Re: gfretwell]
LarryC Offline
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It really is a 240 to 120 transformer. I checked it with 240 Input and I got 120 Out. I was told this specific transformer is a cheap design. Low power, 50/60 Hz operation.

I have been told that there is now a new(?) rating on other larger dry transformers stating that it is suitable for reverse operation.

I am no longer at that facility to get manufacturer and model numbers.
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#215699 - 07/02/15 08:37 PM Re: Some transformers work fine when powered from sec [Re: LarryC]
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450.11(B) of the 2014 NEC has language about feeding the secondary of a transformer.

Winchester Speedpark is up there in NH. Nice place...had lots of fun there.
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#215703 - 07/03/15 08:41 PM Re: Some transformers work fine when powered from sec [Re: shortcircuit]
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Just down the road a couple of miles. Some nights we can just barely hear the cars.
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