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Somewhat related to being forbidden might be 314.28A2 EX> Exception: Where (l raceway or cable entry is in the wall of a box or conduit body opposite a removable cover; the distance from that wall to the cover shall be permitted to comply with the distance required for one wire per terminal in Table 312.6(A).
Which is dictating a distance to not only gutters, but LB's as well.... ~S~
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I talked to Brian Holland (BPHGravity here) and he told me Encor is the first company to offer MC cable with each conductor identified so there is a legal use for that fitting. I suppose the others may follow suit.
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I suppose there's a whole "sub-category" of appliances to add to this list. That is, UL-listed appliances for which there is no code-compliant way to install them.
I saw this recently with an attic fan. Wires came direct from the motor housing; there was no way to attach any fitting or raceway to the fan. No, you had to make a 'flying splice' to wires that you ran.
In a like manner, I have posted here a number of "luminaires" that simply cannot be mounted to a box.
Or, my personal favorite, the lights where the fixture will mount, but the wires need to be run in free air and enter the box... how? With the box in the wall, and the fixture mounted tight to the box, there's no place for the wires to enter.
I have to wonder just HOW UL tested these appliances.
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This week i have to figure out how to mount 3 'built in' appliances in a kitchen upright cab. There will be (bottom) bread warmer (middle) oven (top) micro.
My 1st thought was captive heat (my 2nd wondering why one needs a bread warmer) , and further that i was combining UL products into an assembly.
I'm under the impression a field rep must validate a combination of products , which is probably a misapplication of UL508
whadda i know.....?
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Reno: Was the 'attic fan' possibly from a 'big box' and was a return that was cannibalized for parts and put back for sale?
Was it a familiar brand name, or ???
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IMHO, your responsibility ends at the receptacles, or the 'j-box'.
All of the items you mentioned are 'common'; & I am not aware of any situations.
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IMHO, your responsibility ends at the receptacles, or the 'j-box'.
All of the items you mentioned are 'common'; & I am not aware of any situations. Thx HotOne I guess i'm just too OC about some things ~S~
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The attic fan I referred to was purchased from a commercial HVAC vendor. It was in its' original packaging. There were no parts missing; it had not been cannibalized. The wires came out of the motor through a permanent bushing. There was no place to mount a box, or fitting of any sort. The arrangement was similar to this, but without the flex: http://forums.finehomebuilding.com/...ttach_images/211272/img_0126_600x800.jpg
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Was this a cord or discrete conductors? It really sounds like something missing, perhaps an accessory box that you had to purchase separately. I would be in touch with the manufacturer if their web site was no help.
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I like the notch in the right corner, & the insulation.
As Greg mentioned....sounds like something is MIA!
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