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pdh #205353 02/13/12 11:51 AM
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I think maybe those small point of use UPS units most of us use with our computers could be included in the mix, as those can have unused receptacles that are often face up below a desk and accessible by small children.

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Until they kill off the Edison base bulb completely, kids will still easily have a way to get shocked. At a certain point we just have to teach kids the meaning of "NO".


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Originally Posted by KJay
I think maybe those small point of use UPS units most of us use with our computers could be included in the mix, as those can have unused receptacles that are often face up below a desk and accessible by small children.

Should that include models with different outlet types besides 5-15R?

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Originally Posted by gfretwell
Until they kill off the Edison base bulb completely, kids will still easily have a way to get shocked. At a certain point we just have to teach kids the meaning of "NO".

That or let Darwin run its course.

Given that CFLs and even some LEDs come in E26, I don't expect those to go away very soon (though I would like to see that happen).

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Originally Posted by pdh
Originally Posted by KJay
I think maybe those small point of use UPS units most of us use with our computers could be included in the mix, as those can have unused receptacles that are often face up below a desk and accessible by small children.

Should that include models with different outlet types besides 5-15R?

http://powerquality.eaton.com/PW9130G3000T-XLEU.aspx?CX=3
http://powerquality.eaton.com/PW9130G3000T-XL.aspx?CX=3


I think that all 5-15R and 5-20R 125V receptacles or cords would need to be included in order to parallel what the NEC has attempted to achieve with the TR requirements for receptacles.
If things like extension cords and adapters aren’t also included, it seems like a lot of wasted effort on their part.

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Things like this just give a curious kid a puzzle.


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Many countries require outlets to be switched. Is that an advantage? By itself, no, because the curious kid can switch it on (and will have observed adults operating the switch). However, if a lockout mechanism can be made to prevent switching to ON unless a proper plug is fully inserted, and maybe even cause the switch to go to OFF when extracted, that could help. It would be more expensive than just a sliding device that can be operated by many kids still too young to understand not to mess with these holes. But it would be fairly effective even for some clever adults. Electricians would have to carry around a P-to-R pigtail to do voltage readings (like the kind used on power strips to squeeze in extra wall warts).

BTW, there are 5-15R outlets mated with switches (and perhaps 5-20R). But all I've seen of these are legacy type switch styles oriented horizontal (when installed with the switch above the outlets). I'd like to find the kind which have the same rocker switch as is found in many places in Europe, with a vertical orientation when the switch is above the outlet ... but for 5-15/20R in either the standard two hole or the rectangular hole plate style.

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