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new 2012 code rules

Why didn't they just adopt the NEC?

Because they still do goofy things there
Because we are not the USA
That said we could but why do we want to? I agree we both use the same products and for the most part Canadian and US rules are very similar in intent but there are some differences.

A province coould adopt the NEC but I think that could create a lot of legal problems for any installation that met CEC but missed NEC or vice versa.
Training. All those Canadian electricians would need to learn the NEC rules.

It looks like we need to be retrained, anyway. I hope they do something distinctly Canadian, like put "eh" at the end of the sentences.

Since Youtube is blocked here at work could someone post the major changes coming in 2012.

The video was quite brief,Day-cares will need TP receptacles now in use covers for outside was 2 things i remembered,

Mikesh said..."Because they still do goofy things there"

I guess we do some things that may seem goofy to our friends north of the border...care to share your thoughts on what?

I understand the CEC will have a table that shows 14 wire as being good for 25 amps, and a rule that the over-current can't exceed 15 amps. BEAT THAT FOR GOOFY, USA!

That's exactly what the 2011 NEC Table 310.15(B)(16) says as well as each previous version (disclaimer; the oldest NEC in my office is 1987).

Looks like you guys are finally coming around, eh?

The 25 amp value can be used for derating, but over-current protection remains at the 15 amp maximum regardless.

Oh! Now I feel goofy.

Watched it now that I am home.
Some of the items I picked up on.

Receptacles required on roof for HVAC service.
Kitchen island/peninsula receptacle spacing changes
Receptacles for garage door openers now required
Weather tight in use cover for external receptacles
New ampacity tables for derating
Rules for armour cable in conduit.
TR receptacles in day cares

Here is some more info

Link to summary of top 15 2012 changes

Still alow ranges to be bonded via the neutral, main breakers in the middle of the buss and without a barrier between the main breaker section and branch. Spotty adoption. There are places not yet using the 2008 NEC.
Non electrical people doing electrical inspecions, Carpenters doing electrical work in some places,

Tables 3 and 4 (aluminum conductors) have symbols beside #10 awg, which refer us to 14-104(2). 14-104(2) doesn't mention #10 aluminum.

The likelihood of an error in a document increases by a factor equal to the importance of the document multiplied by the number of kopies.

yeah they mentioned that today at the know the code 2012 seminar i attended today
9 hours in a convention center chair ouch my back

I will have to digest and review my notes in the coming days ,the work book was almost as thick as the 2012 code

there will be some updates coming

What do you suppose the maximum overcurrent rating will be for #10 Aluminum?

When I look at the calculations, it seems there isn't much of a penalty for loading a conduit with #14 wires. But, I have to admit these calculations are dreadfully boring and it's beyond me to stay awake long enough to read all the rules. http://www.codemath.com/cgi-bin/Run.pl?script=CecAwgRw2012

One update will be the re inclusion of reduced neutrals for residential single dwellings that isn't in the 2012 code they took it out.I never reduce that conductor anyhow

"Why didn't they just adopt the NEC?" by twh
I've been saying this for yrs, and I get funny looks.
It's amazing how both codes can be very simular but so very different.
But this is for a different rant,lol
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How would they make $175 for the book off each one of us (plus a day off work and another $150 for the update class) if we bought NEC's instead of CEC's? Oops, your right, that's another rant