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#196610 - 10/16/10 04:29 PM
HDMI leads?
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Can anyone tell me why these leads are so expensive? Even a short one will cost you an arm and a leg. I bought a 1 metre (3ft) one of these the other day when I found (after owning the 21" LCD screen on my desktop computer, for a year) that the monitor had an HDMI input.  It cost me NZ$33, I can't get over the price of these things. Funny thing is, I can't say the picture is any better either.
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#196612 - 10/16/10 05:03 PM
Re: HDMI leads?
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BTW the conspiracy buff in me says HDMI is a scam.
There is digital management hardware in the adapter. When they turn that on your bootlegged CDs and DVDs will stop working.
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#196613 - 10/16/10 05:57 PM
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BTW the conspiracy buff in me says HDMI is a scam.
There is digital management hardware in the adapter. When they turn that on your bootlegged CDs and DVDs will stop working. Greg, While I'm not really into conspiracy theories, there may be something in what you are saying. This could be the reason why you cant buy HDMI connectors to make your own cables. You can however buy the sockets that fit to a wall-plate.
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#196614 - 10/16/10 06:19 PM
Re: HDMI leads?
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This DRM hardware is in the adapter not the cable and as soon as they get a universal DRM protocol on the digital content you will see a lot of things you used to be able to do, stop working. They can't stop people from copying content but they are going to stop you from playing it ... or at least that is the plan. Like most things, some 15 year old will have this cracked an a few days.
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#196617 - 10/16/10 09:22 PM
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Like most things, some 15 year old will have this cracked in a few days. Go the 15 year olds, I say!!
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#196620 - 10/16/10 11:31 PM
Re: HDMI leads?
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I have a supplier that sells HDMI cables for a fraction of the price you pay retail. If I take the packaging off you cannot tell the difference. The plugs have the same mold. A 6 ft cable is $7.30. Same cable at the big retailer is $39.95. Robert
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#196628 - 10/17/10 01:17 PM
Re: HDMI leads?
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I doubt most mere mortals could actually solder something that tiny on and still have any reasonable signal integrity.
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#196711 - 10/23/10 07:53 PM
Re: HDMI leads?
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Well Greg, I'd certainly like to give it a go. I've soldered some pretty intricate stuff before today.(SMD's spring to mind) Having said that, this is not the sort of thing that Joe Homeowner with his 80 Watt Chisel tipped soldering iron should attempt, it's only going to end in tears.
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#196715 - 10/23/10 09:31 PM
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I used to fool with this fancy soldering when I was younger. I even fixed a core storage array once but these days I am more of a "200 watt Weller" guy.
Even the sub D connectors like you have on a monitor are a challenge to me. If someone will sell me a cable with molded ends for five bucks, I am buying it.
I do crunch ends on cat 5 cables now and then but I even like to buy those if I can.
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#196836 - 10/29/10 08:39 AM
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Do they make HDMI cables with jacketing that is actually rated for installation within walls?
I hear a lot of buzz about them not being Class 2 rated , so can’t be run in walls or ceilings, etc... but how else can you get them behind a wall mounted flat panel TV?
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#196841 - 10/29/10 12:26 PM
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I looked at all of the cables going in the back of my big screen (almost every port has a cable) and the only one with a "CL" rating is the coax. HDMI, component, A/V, PC audio and the VGA cable are unrated.
I suppose the "safe" way would be to run a sleeve of 2" ENT or other raceway to pull the cables through. That still may not be "legal".
There is a good chance that any name brand cable would meet the flame/smoke test for CL2 but they don't seem to be marked.
OTOH if you are talking about some offshore cable, who knows what the insulation is? If they do get rated, it is only for signal quality. I have always been skeptical about the "in wall" systems sold for big screens. On the line side, they are basically just an extension cord inside a wall. They are largely beyond the inspection process since they are homeowner or "TV installer" items.
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#196849 - 10/29/10 05:19 PM
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It never ceases to amaze me what people will pay for digital signal cables. Just 1s and 0s as long as they arrive at the load in the same order they left the supply we get reliable data cable.
I have a local electronics wholesale that sells HDMI cable for $10 and $80. One has a big Audio brand name. Dispite his recomendations to customers he still sells a lot of the $80 ones.
Take a European house panel and gold plate the neutral and bonding terminals and you can sell them to Audiophiles for $3000. A 10 fold markup for absolutely no benifit and no recognized electrical approval or listing for use in any North American market.
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#196890 - 10/31/10 09:57 AM
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I did some poking around and it looks like these guys apparently have the CL2 and CL3 rated HDMI cables. The one in the link says 20m, so I assume that means 20-meters or around 60-ft in length. If so, the price doesn’t really seem too bad. Dayton HR13HG20 High-Speed HDMI Cable 20m CL2
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#197867 - 12/24/10 03:55 PM
Re: HDMI leads?
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I looked at all of the cables going in the back of my big screen (almost every port has a cable) and the only one with a "CL" rating is the coax. HDMI, component, A/V, PC audio and the VGA cable are unrated.
I suppose the "safe" way would be to run a sleeve of 2" ENT or other raceway to pull the cables through. That still may not be "legal".
There is a good chance that any name brand cable would meet the flame/smoke test for CL2 but they don't seem to be marked.
OTOH if you are talking about some offshore cable, who knows what the insulation is? If they do get rated, it is only for signal quality. I have always been skeptical about the "in wall" systems sold for big screens. On the line side, they are basically just an extension cord inside a wall. They are largely beyond the inspection process since they are homeowner or "TV installer" items. In Canada we look for FT-1 or FT-4. Both are flame spread tested one is for combustible buildings and four is for non combustible buildings. FT-6 also exists and is mandated in some jurisdictions for wiring in Plenum spaces. In the absence of FT or CL ratings it is perfectly acceptable to install in a rated raceway like ENT or EMT. the wire inside is considered rated too.
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