#196230 - 09/20/10 08:52 AM
Re: Ground Rod - Australia
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I have seen that before on low voltage wires in HVAC. It is sort of a shock absorber to relieve some of the strain on the wire from flexing etc. Sort of like the curly cord on your phone handset.
Edited by jdevlin (09/20/10 08:53 AM)
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#196233 - 09/20/10 12:12 PM
Re: Ground Rod - Australia
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It WILL add a bit of inductance, which will decrease the effectiveness of the grounding system at handling fast risetime transients.
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#196234 - 09/20/10 12:50 PM
Re: Ground Rod - Australia
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If one was to make the rod 'flush' with grade, would the curly Q be long enough to allow that? Perhaps, the inspector wanted to see the rod, and clamp prior to it being driven flush.
Or, are the codes in Australia not the same as stateside that the rod must be 'flush'?
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#196239 - 09/20/10 05:47 PM
Re: Ground Rod - Australia
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It WILL add a bit of inductance, which will decrease the effectiveness of the grounding system at handling fast risetime transients. How much inductance and how much more damage from a lightning strike will this inductance cause? My GUT feeling is not much. That wire looks to be equivalent to about 10 AWG.
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#196241 - 09/21/10 02:42 AM
Re: Ground Rod - Australia
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Or, are the codes in Australia not the same as stateside that the rod must be 'flush'?
No they aren't, John. You are allowed to install them flush, but it is not a requirement.
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#196244 - 09/21/10 10:21 AM
Re: Ground Rod - Australia
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Lightning though not AC, shares more in common with AC than DC with its sharp rise times and varying currents. If you look at strikes with a spectrum analyzer you would find that each strike is built of multiple frequencies across the specturm. To do a complete analysis of the effect this pracitce would have on the lightning strike depends on each individual strike.
With that said let's assume that we happen to have a direct building strike to the electrical equipment with its major component frequencies in the 100 kHz range (somewhat typical but again vaires widely) and the that the coil provides 0.001 mHenrys the impedence to the major component of this assumed strike would be (1j + negligible resistance) ohms. If the current portion of the frequencies where a small 5000 amps (strikes can range from a couple thousand amps to 200,000 with super strikes easily exceeding this range) then the voltage drop across this coil is 5 kV. That is significant and will be the cause of loss equipment inside the building in a direct strike.
Someone who is a ham radio operator would quickly be able to estimate the inductance of the coil, but say the inductance is 100 times greater (a mere 0.1 mHenries), now we are looking at 500 kV. I am not going to look up the formula though I should have it memorized somewhere.
I recommend against this practice. NFPA 780 inhibits bends to not exceed 90 degrees from straight and that the radius of the bend be 8" (about 20 cm) minimum.
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#196274 - 09/22/10 05:01 PM
Re: Ground Rod - Australia
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Another difference between Aussie practice and US practice is that here the use of a green (or green / yellow) wire for this application is actually forbidden. John, The colour of earth (ground) wires, was changed down this way some years ago, mainly because of the earth wire in flexible cords. Colour-blind people wiring plug-tops on to the ends of flexes are most likely to transpose the red (phase) and green earth wires. (Red-Green colour blindness is the most common type) In effect, all earth wires are coloured with the yellow stripes, and I must say it makes it easier to identify an earth wire in a switch-board panel where you don't have a lot of ambient light. BTW, that wire in the photo is #10 AWG, it is known as 6mm˛ down this way. The clamp looks rather old though, they are a LOT more substantial these days.
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