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#193173 - 03/20/10 07:47 PM Re: Kitchen island outlets [Re: SteveFehr]
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Do you want to start another fight? What about a receptacle on the back of the peninsula where the kitchen sink is installed. The receptacle (which could be in the dining room or living room) which is not in the kitchen, nor is it on the counter top, but it is within 6 feet of the kitchen sink. Does it need to be GFI protected?

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#193185 - 03/20/10 08:18 PM Re: Kitchen island outlets [Re: harold endean]
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The question would be does it serve the countertop

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#193227 - 03/22/10 08:29 AM Re: Kitchen island outlets [Re: Rewire]
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Rewire,

Technically the receptacle couldn't serve the countertop, because most appliances only have a 2 foot cord. Yet, the receptacle is within 6' of the sink. So again, would it have to be GFI protected?

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#193230 - 03/22/10 10:47 AM Re: Kitchen island outlets [Re: harold endean]
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The sink really does not get addressed in the "kitchen". The GFCI rule 210.52(A)(6) says "where the receptacles are installed to serve the counter top surfaces". 210.52(C)(6) with the exception says that is between 20" above and 12" below the counter top. Receptacles beyond that distance are not serving the counter top.
I suppose you could plug your hand mixer in that receptacle and drop it into the sink but the code is silent on that issue. If as a design concern you are worried about it as the homeowner or EC you could put in a GFCI receptacle there but you are treading on the edge of a 210.52(B)(2) violation if this is not the dining room, breakfast room, pantry etc and you extend the small appliance circuit there.
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#193240 - 03/22/10 09:07 PM Re: Kitchen island outlets [Re: gfretwell]
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If it does not serve the countertop then I would say it does not need GFI protection.

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#193349 - 03/29/10 07:55 AM Re: Kitchen island outlets [Re: Rewire]
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I would agree with rewire that the receptacle in the dining room, Even though it is within 6' of the sink, would not need GFI protection.

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#194344 - 05/24/10 04:20 PM Re: Kitchen island outlets [Re: SteveFehr]
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Sorry to bring this back up, but I noticed on the countertop appliances I've bought the last few years that they have grounded cords. The Kenmore toaster, coffee maker, GE waffle maker, all have them. I am guessing it is because they have exposed metal casings. But yet, not all small appliances I've seen lately have grounds.

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#194642 - 06/14/10 06:13 PM Re: Kitchen island outlets [Re: Rewire]
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you had better go less than 6' anyway,,, you need a minimum of two twenty amp GFI protected ckts,, 4 recepts max on a ckt,, 2' from an opening be it a sink, range , refer, etc

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#194645 - 06/14/10 08:13 PM Re: Kitchen island outlets [Re: romex2121]
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Romex2121:
Where do you get.... "4 recepts max on a ckt"????
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#194649 - 06/15/10 09:35 AM Re: Kitchen island outlets [Re: HotLine1]
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im assuming that this was a kitchen ckt,, i may have read it wrong tho,, if it is a kitch ckt than ckt cannot exced 4 recepts on a GFI protected 20amp ckt

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