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#190493 - 11/20/09 09:36 PM
Re: Confused about outside outlet requirements
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Grover: I know of no requirement that an exterior receptacle cannot be on an 'inside' circuit, per NEC. There's a thread here that debates that subject, I don't remember if it was relocated into the "Non-US" forum or not.
IMHO, based on your description, there is no 'Rear'. However, you may decide to install a receptacle (GFI) on the rear garage wall to save any possible greif.
Is this structure still considered a single family dwelling, or is it considered a 'duplex', or two family? If it's a SFD, and a rear receptacle was required and installed when it was built, then that one (1) is all you need.
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#190496 - 11/20/09 09:57 PM
Re: Confused about outside outlet requirements
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Grover, Interesting point. In my interpretation of "outside receptacle". (Bear in mind I am from "out of town") An outside receptacle would need it's own circuit (as in a home run) and be protected by a GFCI, no matter where it was on the outside of the building. The receptacle will need weather-proofing. That much might be true, but don't be too hard on me with the replies. 
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#190499 - 11/20/09 10:48 PM
Re: Confused about outside outlet requirements
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In the good old USA the outside receptacles can be on pretty much any circuit except the ones required to be dedicated (Kitchen, bathroom and laundry). You do need a GFCI. Beyond that it is just a design decision Commonly these come from basement or garage circuits since they will be GFCI. I can make a case why dedicated circuits are good design tho
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#190502 - 11/21/09 12:30 AM
Re: Confused about outside outlet requirements
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Thanks for that Greg, Am I assuming that "any" circuit could also encompass a lighting circuit as well? Provided that the new connected load didn't over-load the existing circuit.
I'm here to learn things. Mike the answer is Oui the outdoor recetpale can be on lighting circuit if not hevey loaded but normally it more common sense when upgrading the circuits in resdentail area the outdoor useally be on own circuits due some case I know some peoples go crazy with holidays luminaires or other pretty hevey stuff going on. It simair to France but couple circuits that can not be used for outdoor recetpale Kitchen , Bathroom { this part is very strict } and it mantory have RCD with weatherproof fitting on it. Merci,Marc
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#190503 - 11/21/09 12:37 AM
Re: Confused about outside outlet requirements
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The strange thing about US residential circuit sizing is there are no rules. We are really only working with the 3va per square foot calculation and saying the load should be distributed across the general lighting circuits.
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#190505 - 11/21/09 12:43 AM
Re: Confused about outside outlet requirements
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Gregg.,
The 3va per square foot that been written in NEC code cycle for super long time I don't really recall when the last time they change that and I have a funny feeling with engery pact they are tighen up the " noose " on genral lighting circuits.
I know in france it is 1.5 to 2 watts per sqfoot { I did converted from sqm² to sqfoot } they change that requirement about 10 years ago
Merci,Marc
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#190512 - 11/21/09 11:09 AM
Re: Confused about outside outlet requirements
[Re: frenchelectrican]
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Marc, the thing that is inconsistent with a lot of other codes is, the NEC does not limit the number of outlets on a residential general lighting circuit. If the OP wants to tag the circuit on the other side of the wall for his outside receptacle there is really nothing stopping him.
Reno I agree sometimes trying to make a rigid "front and back" rule stick may be silly.
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