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#190441 - 11/18/09 01:34 PM
In the name of safety
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Has anyone from the "Down-Under" area noticed that the newer single phase 10A plugs have a tendency for the phase or neutral pins to break prematurely, as of late? Here's a picture of the 2-pin version of these plugs:  Those from overseas will note that the pins have a layer of plastic on the pins, where they exit the plug body. Now this layer of plastic isn't thin, but the issue is, allowance for this plastic is at the expense of pin material all the way around the pin. In this last week, I've replaced 6 of these plugs for various people, where one of the pins has snapped. It also raises a safety question of "What is the mechanical/electrical integrity of one of these plugs like where the pin(s) might be bent in use, but hasn't broken yet?". The pins on the older version of the plug, were quite hard to bend, these ones are quite soft. Bear in mind that these are the only version of the plug you can buy now, manufacturers are required to conform to the regulations. I also have a problem with this plug (in it's current guise) having a specification of 10 Amperes, with the reduced cross-sectional area on the pins. This idea came about a couple of years back, the concept being that if a child removes a plug from a socket-outlet, there will be a wide enough gap between the socket face and the plug-top front, for a child to be able to get thier fingers in that gap, causing either burns or electric shock or both. One other work-around would be recessed socket-outlets, these are on the market here, but you need a good stiff drink before reading the unit price of them.  Your thoughts?
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#190487 - 11/20/09 11:27 AM
Re: In the name of safety
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BS1363 does look oversized compared to other domestic plug designs, and it's not without its faults. Broken pins? Impossible! Most appliances and tools in the UK now come with a molded plug fitted, by law, to obviate miswiring by WWs or touching the pins on withdrawal or insertion. This should prevent wrong polarity, although that's rarely a problem with most domestic usage. The generous pin dimensions allow pin insulators without serious weakening of the pins. The faults are that it's possible to insert it upside down in some situations, thus opening and revealing the receptacle shutter & live parts, and it's possible to replace the fuse with a nail! Many variants exist, with different detail body shapes. They are still available as free units for DIY fixing to flex, with a myriad of cord grip designs, some good, some hopeless and in a variety of plastic types. I like the really solid bakelite versions and the ease with which they can be wired up with tools straight out of the kitchen cutlery box!  The plug will naturally lie pins up, not a nice thing to tread on with bare feet! The fuse is absolutely necessary due to the UK Ringmain system. On the other hand, wallwarts which incorporate the plug pins are easy to design due to its generous dimensions. It is always easier to use, IMHO, than a Shuko once a bit of wear has occured in the plug or receptacle/socket, they slam in with a lovely CLUNK!
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#190494 - 11/20/09 09:42 PM
Re: In the name of safety
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Hey, this looks worrying. Do these pins ever break off and get left in the sockets? I'd rather risk a long neck chain than have bits of live pin sticking out over the kitchen worktop.
Surely time to reverse the insulated pins legislation. This standard is young, as are the plugs that were required by it. The plugs I have referred to are used in commercial/industrial situations. Now the alternative is using something like a 56 Series PDL plug and socket arrangement for your welders and other electrical tools. The price of these plugs and sockets are out of this world. When you are required to work in most places doing maintenance, you are met with the standard plug, not the 56 Series, mainly because no-one wants to spend the money to install proper socket outlets, hence a 1.5mm˛ cord going into a plug that was never designed to take that size of cord. Sure we could make up a whole set of wired adaptors, but why in reality should we have to? This legislation will never be reversed, it is set in stone now, it is a mind-set within the folks that make our rules. 
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