ECN Forum Forums Code Related Discussion NEC & other Code issues Lighting outlets and luminaires.

Sure I have. I've even installed them .

If that is the case,a switched rec should be installed,Or a 3 wire.

I'm also with Greg,if a ceiling lighting outlet, Keyless before sign off.

Keep in mind that the 'switch' need not be on the wall, by the door.

For example, many outdoor lights have motion sensors.

In our paddle fan example, many of those have wireless remotes.

Le:
OK, I left out something important:

I omited that the two wire lighting outlet has a wall switch.

Maybe it's a Jersey thing, but it goes like this...
Wall switch 'on', fan & light 'on'; want light 'off', but fan 'on'? pull the pull chain. Drawback is when someone turns both off at the P/C.

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I'll give ya the 'by the door '. so I guess that rules out the 2 wire constant for a pull only fan as a lighting requirement.

Reno: I see nothing accepting wireless remotes. Only OC's.


Hot line: thats the same, back to Greg. Install a keyless.
Or no sign off.

Not our problem after that.

I don’t know, but this topic relates to an actual installation that an inspector failed.
Since I can’t get inside the inspectors head, I am trying to figure out the reason why the he would fail this installation.
I have been looking though the various articles of the NEC attempting to find a code based reason for it. I have done the same fan/light installation countless times and never had any issue because of it, but also want to make sure I’m not missing something

Lee, I’m not sure if it’s the same in your area, but we can’t get a final and the HO can’t get a Certificate of Occupancy [CO] by installing a keyless anymore, since they are considered a lampholder and not a luminaire. Unfortunately, they say lampholder right on the package.

You could always put a receptacle up there

Actually I was thinking that would not be a bad idea if you could get some kind of standardized base and matching plug/hanger device in the luminaires. It might actually spur sales of more luminaires if any homeowner could just stick them up there and lock them in.

I suppose, but how do you do that with an octagonal or 4" NM round nail-on that has already been installed at rough?
When I put a box in the ceiling in anticipation of a light fixture to be installed, I don’t want to have to play games to try and get my final signed off.
I tend to believe that the anal retentive, tantrum taking obsessive-compulsive disorder BS has breached the dam when it comes to not allowing a functioning keyless for the purpose of completing a final inspection. Especially since the circuit most likely also has the NEC coveted AFCI protection.

One of these?

Actually if you started with the single receptacle cover (Mulberry 11106, no pic on the Dale site) and had some 8-32 or 10-32 studs (depending on the box) that my universal luminaire hickey would snap into you have my invention.

Line up the studs, the 5-15 lines up and you push until it locks. Done.
No more standing on a ladder juggling a 20 lb luminaire while you are trying to screw on some wirenuts and start some chinese knurled acorn nuts that don't fit right.


I wish I could say patent pending but I am too lazy.