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Greg,
Just the other day I was doing a final on a house and the EC put some TR receptacles in there. They were very stiff to plug in the tester and the first thing I thought of, what happens when the homeowner paints the room. You know that they will paint the receptacles to match the walls. I guess we will just have to wait and see.
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If they paint the recptacles to match the walls they void the UL listing on them and have to replace them anyway.
If we start worrying about making every installation idiot-resistant based on what someone might do after we leave...we'll end up with the old Chicago Code, where battery lights needed to be rated for 2 hours instead of 90 minutes "because nobody maintains these".
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Ghost, I realize that we can't worry about "WHAT IF" syndrome. I get AHJ's say for example, "Well WHAT IF they decide to finished this room off, shouldn't there be receptacles to code. The answer would be YES, they do need receptacles, but I can't make them install it now if the room is unfinished at this moment. I like your "Chicago Code", that since no one maintains them, lets make them 2 hours. Why not 3 or 4 hours? that would be eve better!  Seriously, you and I know that if they get paint on the receptacles, they are suppose to replace the device. But how many do you really think will replace them. Most likely, not many.
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Just a note,
Our socket-outlets over here, have had safety shutters in them for some time.(since the late 1980's, by memory)
You have to be able to have a pin fully inserted into the neutral aperture before the phase aperture will open enough to get the pin in.
Sure, it may be a nuisance to those that regularly require to get test equipment probes into sockets, but hey, if it saves some kids life, it's no more than a small inconvenience.
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Started to post- then thought better of it.
Stupid idea. TR- Education is the route-
From a VERY EARLY AGE.
Worked for us.
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Started to post- then thought better of it.
Stupid idea. TR- Education is the route-
From a VERY EARLY AGE.
Worked for us. Under current legislation, I believe that access to bare, live contacts, must not be possible without the use of a tool. Maybe things are different over there in the US?
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n still unscrew a lamp and put your finger in the hole
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I still don't figure how you can 'Legislate' common sense.
Or personal responsibility.
Seems the more 'THEY' try, the dumber the population gets.
(Sorry (again) off topic)
Last edited by leland; 01/03/10 03:35 AM.
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leland...I remember a line in a sci fi book that fits nicely. The total amount of intelligence in the society is a constant; but the population is increasing.
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Started to post- then thought better of it.
Stupid idea. TR- Education is the route-
From a VERY EARLY AGE.
Worked for us. actually you've a point leland and i'm an example too, i stuck one of my mom's hairpins in a receptacle in (iirc) 1961 or 2.... i'm told i've gained a little eductaion since then... ~S~
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