ECN Forum Forums General Topics of the Trade General Discussion Area Fios.......

Well, youshould ...both as a sparky and as a citizen.

First, the PoCo operates, in many ways, as a governing body. This means that, among other things, that THEY are the AHJ, and other governments have no jurisdiction. I mean ... do you want clearance rules written by folks who might actually know something about the topic, or by bird watchers?

As a sparky, you should know that electricity acts differently at different voltages and frequencies. As a result, practices that work fine in your home can be quite deadly in a substation.

Finally, keep in mind that our understanding of electricity is quite recent .... even for us, many of our "normal" things did not exist, even in the 60's. "Standard" plug patterns, NEMA enclosures .... the listis endless.

I think he was referring to things telecom folks do inside your house.

Good point, Greg.

As the work the telephone company does within your home ... it might help to remember that such was not addressed, at all, by the NEC until fairly recently. The 80's? 90's? I'm not sure. Prior to the breakup of the Bell System, the phone company asserted ownership, and control over, ALL telephone equipment.

Today, the 2008 NEC specifies that new construction come with at least one phone jack - suggesting that the sparky is expected to install it.

Things sure have changed.

The tele/data guys are basically under control here, cable in multi family is a issue with permits, and Fios is going to be a nightmare IMHO. Not for single family dwellings thankfully, but in the multi familys, they will need a permit.

The 'one phone jack' will probably be amended out of the '08 when NJ adopts it.

BTW, the State Attorney General filed suit against Verizon Fios today for consumer fraud type violations.

Guess that's why I could not get any firm answer on cost after the $90 intro 12 months.

From my limited exposure to the FIOS it just seems like a large NID that needs to be plugged in. There didn't seem to be any interior wirng needed. It was still copper to the wall jacks that was in place already.

800.156 just says "communication outlet" and these days I would think that was a Cat 5 or better. I agree POTS phones are going to be a shrinking presence in homes but there will be some kind of "communication" going on.
A builder with any regard for his customer would have a drop in virtually every room. I have 6 PCs and a printer on my network all the time.
I also agree this probably does not belong in an electrical "safety" code.

Greg:
Yes, most EC's doing new work do cable/Cat5 wiring now, and have for some years. They would be fools not to, it's $$$.

A few were jumping up & down at a CEU I did re: mandatory comm point 800.156.

To those that screamed, I said (off the record) that as the code does not specify a location....drop it in the garage or basement, or any inside wall on the utility drop side.

Fios complaint form is online at DCA website...home page, center is a link to the on-line complaint form.

Guess our AG is serious about the suit for consumer fraud.


www.njconsumeraffairs.gov

Yes, most EC's doing new work do cable/Cat5 wiring now, and have for some years. They would be fools not to, it's $$$... I said (off the record) that as the code does not specify a location....drop it in the garage or basement, or any inside wall on the utility drop side.

That's NOT the answer I would want to hear. Do it for the money and don't give a crap about your work.

-Hal

They run wiring from the power supply to the battery box and from there to the ONT.

From my limited exposure to FIOS it appears that they have real grunts installing it. These guys are barely above the dish network installers on the give-a-crap scale.