ECN Forum Forums Code Related Discussion NEC & other Code issues Something up his Sleeve ?

well i often wonder who the nec is being written to Reno, while some parts are intrical engineering level calculation, others seem to be geared to legaleese

for instance, i'm sure you recall the redefining of fixture to luminaire... one of our best examples.....

i always imagine some whimsical scene where some sparky is explaining the toliet on the cieling to a scrutinizing inspector....

but i digress, here, what might be the most prevealant 'sleeve seen is the well guys use of the same black H2O pipe they use to bring the water lines in

it seems like everyone simply acknowlegdes what they repetitively see as being acceptable ....~S~

My thoughts was, if the piece of conduit is less than 10' it is a sleeve for protection of a wire. If you need more than 10' to protect the wire, then run a conduit and be done with the issue. How is that for an answer?

i would say that would be considered the norm Harold
~S~

Someone posted "Does it have to be electrical material to be a sleeve." Or something like that. Well IMHO if you just use it for a sleeve, then NO! It doesn't have to be UL listed or labeled for electrical work. After all you can use a piece of wood to support, or protect a piece of wire and that is not UL labeled for electrical work. NOW if you were installing THHN wires in a water pipe, should that pass inspection? I don't think so. However a great big piece of 4" Plumbers pipe under a driveway and the EC slips a piece of UF through it, what's that harm? We need to use a little common sense when we inspect these jobs. ( I would hope!)

John,

Where have you seen 20'lengths of EMT? Are they UL listed and labeled? If they are then I wouldn't care if they were used for Physical protection.

HE

Harold:
Yes, there are 20' lengths of EMT available. It's marketed as a 'cost saver'.

Yes, it is UL listed/labeled. It's available in red for FA work also.

Harold,

Here's a link.

http://www.wheatland.com/cdrom/emt.html

They've even got a cost savings calculator.

If only more people thought like that. It seems that the creation of an environment where everything is so complicated that there is no common sense is what is being sought after these days.

All in the name of profit, err I mean safety of course.

"If only more people thought like that. It seems that the creation of an environment where everything is so complicated that there is no common sense is what is being sought after these days.

Perhaps it may be time to attempt to get "common sense" into the NEC!

Good luck!

There's no money/control for those with the lobbying power in that plan.