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The stock market is tanking, especially GE because the details are coming out about Obama's energy tax scheme. In a nutshell coal fired power is going to be taxed massively.

Obama said [in a January 2007 interview] that the environmental policies he proposes would cause builders of new coal plants to go bankrupt. And he didn’t sound the least bit sad about the prospect…

Obama stated that;

…under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket…whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.

One provision of the ARRA is that residential electricity use is to be digitally monitored. Obviously this is setting the stage for retail use taxation.

Any such taxation would be poison to the introduction of electric vehicles.

What has me so concerned is that the rate of taxation will essentially DOUBLE the retail cost of electricity.

I'm thinking I'm going to have to find another way to make a living.

Sparky:
Does the beauracracy involve life safety upgrades? Any electrical included in the 30-40K?

"Upgrades" for various codes upon a change of occupancy are pretty standard to facilitate the 'new' use, and to clean-up what I call "sins of the past"

A CCO (continued certificate of occupancy) is required here for resi and comm/ind to determine IF there are any life safety situations/violations, and if there was any work done without permits/inspections. A check of records for any 'open' permits is also done.

IMHO, that is not bureaucratic, it is for the safety of the public.

quote=HotLine1

well there might be some emergeny lighting upgrades for me there,and i'm trying to talk the leasee into some T8 retrofits, as we do have a good rebate in the state of Vermont for anyone who pursues efficency.

yeah i know Hotone, i can't argue with it either , it's just the demographic disparity that exists here that moves people to skip boarders ....we've lost a number of businesses that way, and subsequently jobs....


actually, it exists here as well, i usually call the state when i'm asked, not being a nfpa101 expert



ok, and you and i are in the business of creating a safe electrical enviroment for people, that's why they call us

but let me ask you here, just how much are you willing to call 'existing' on a reno to be competitive in this economy?

for instance, a while ago i was solicited to do a church rewire. It's 90% original K&T

they said their insurance company required that the building is K&T free.

the magnitiude of the job, even in emt and wiremould is 5 figures, and that doesn't include the drywall/paint damage/repair

they don't have the $$$, period

but they're not 'safe' according to their insurance company

yet they are an existing installation according to the state

my advice? upgrade the service so that every single breaker is on an AFCI and ask said insurance company and the state if they'd sign off on it

~S~

edited to add , would Dave Dini & Rich Marchand be proud of me or what!

i'm thinking of raising chickens again, yanno i had amost 100 of them strutting about at one time

and i learned to make an omlet outta almost anything, so if i can pull it off again, omlets, over easy, sunny up, wrecked on a raft, scrambled or boiled eggs are on me....

~S(i've got egg on my post!)parky~

Sparky:

I have no issues with the NJ UCC Rehab Sub-Code for existing & renov work....within the scope of the Rehab Sub-code.

As to the church....I don't think the AFCI thing is a good move with the K&T....perhaps GFI??

The guys living with "AFCI's" for a while may have experienced comments on this!

Better days are coming (I hear)

edited to correct a typo in haste

HotLine1


Hotone, i have no issue with any code if it's amdinistered equally , the problems arise when a disparity in enforcement exists

perhaps combo units, it's still be more economical for the powers that be to conceed to this.


i can't even google a AGCI Hotone, perhaps you meant something else? or yet again i'm last to know?


yeah, well we've all got our fingers crossed, but sorts like myself that already live the reclusive iconoclast lifestyle have seen this comming for quite some time HotOne

we live the way we do because we're aware of the system's fragility, which should be obvious to anyone with brains god gave geese by now

i'm not so worried about myself out here, i'll survive, it's the specture of all my nieghbors tanking around me that really worries me

~S~

That's what typing in a hurry causes....

Should be "AFCI" oops!!

AFCI is not required here in NJ, YET. Apparently the builders lobby was successful over the last few code cycles to have AFCI's amended OUT of the adopted NEC within the NJUCC.

AS to the sinking $$$ situation...it's getting deeper around here too.

Sorry for making you google my typo,,,,stay safe

hey no skin HotOne

on the afci's, Vermont has thought they're the best thing since sliced bread for a deacade now

one can add in the area of $1000-$1500 (and that's OUR cost) to a service upgrade and/or new home filling a panel full of them

~S~

Would the ckts not have to be GFCI.Based on 406.3(C)(3)(c)?

K&T, must be all 2 wire receps. AfcI should not come into play unless the living quarters are attached.

Just my thought.

probably so Leland, but it would be up to the ahj really, and s/he'd probably see it all as trying to 'sneak one by'