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#177564 - 05/07/08 01:32 PM
Instant Under counter Hot Water Heaters
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Registered: 03/04/03
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Loc: Michigan
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Instant Hot water heater under the sink Bradford model EFT-28000-4-T-10 208 volt single phase. Draws close to 140 amps. Theres 45 units that theses are POSSIBLY going to be installed. As far as I see it each one must be rated for condutious duty(X125%)45 x 6075x125% aprox 760 amps ??? Anyone know of any derateing ect in this case?? Seem like a lotta power for Hot water??? Yoopersup
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#177569 - 05/07/08 05:23 PM
Re: Instant Under counter Hot Water Heaters
[Re: electure]
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Registered: 03/04/03
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Loc: Michigan
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So Hot water Heaters don't need the 125 % either???? 422.13 ?????? come into play
Edited by Yoopersup (05/07/08 05:25 PM)
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#177573 - 05/07/08 06:14 PM
Re: Instant Under counter Hot Water Heaters
[Re: Yoopersup]
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The water heater is not a storage type. It is an "On Demand" type. It heats the water when needed, and only when needed. Here's a PDF If you scroll down to "Series Three" you'll find it there. http://www.bradfordwhite.com/images/shared/pdfs/specsheets/217b.pdf
Edited by electure (05/07/08 06:17 PM) Edit Reason: I forgot to addlink
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#177575 - 05/07/08 07:01 PM
Re: Instant Under counter Hot Water Heaters
[Re: electure]
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Registered: 03/04/03
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Loc: Michigan
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So where does it deal with Demand type in the NEC?? and whats to stop it from being on for three hrs or more???? (I knew it was demand type Thus the product #)
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#177576 - 05/07/08 07:04 PM
Re: Instant Under counter Hot Water Heaters
[Re: Yoopersup]
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Registered: 07/08/07
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Loc: Alaska
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Insta hots are not considered as storage units per 422.13.
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#177630 - 05/08/08 05:36 PM
Re: Instant Under counter Hot Water Heaters
[Re: renosteinke]
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Loc: Michigan
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I called the Company your right, Three 2 pole 40 amp breakers for each unit . and thats the Minimin size they say would be required to feed a, Shower, Bathroom sink, Kitchen sink combo. Becta there not going in!!!.
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#177647 - 05/09/08 04:39 AM
Re: Instant Under counter Hot Water Heaters
[Re: Yoopersup]
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Registered: 03/19/05
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Loc: Chesapeake, VA
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It's insane how much power it takes to heat water on demand, isn't it? I would have had to upgrade my service to put in an in-use hot water heater for my home. Gas isn't much better- the size gas like you need for even a 1-shower-at-a-time tank line that is obscene, too.
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#177655 - 05/09/08 06:53 AM
Re: Instant Under counter Hot Water Heaters
[Re: SteveFehr]
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Registered: 05/09/05
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Loc: Chicago Illinois USA
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It doesn't really take more energy to heat the water; it's just that you're trying to heat it in seconds instead of minutes. If you think about the gas versions, you're using 30 minutes worth of a gas flame in a few seconds. That means that the flame will look more like a welding torch than a stovetop burner.
My electric one takes (4) 30 Amp 240V circuits, but it doesn't really show up as a noticable amount on my bill; so I'm not using a LOT of energy, I'm just using the same amount very very quickly.
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