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ITO #166578 07/23/07 09:19 PM
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I got a lot of good feedback on the Mike Holt site on a duplicated thread from people who seem to have dealt with this commercially:
http://forums.mikeholt.com/showthread.php?t=88443

Nearest I can tell, without going out to take some "Certification" in it, or purchasing additional codes prior to final approval from the DBI etc. - is that it is 'electrically' simular to title-24, but goes further into recycling on the job site, and a little more draconian on the energy calc's. wink Otherwise without purchasing it, the standard seems pretty darn vague IMO!

Right now I have not heard much else about it - the Mayor has not responded to my letters yet.... crazy

But my main fear is that a vague code like this will further compound situations that I often find myself in already.

Sure - some engineer has done and filed his stamped calc's already on A.2, but E.1~6 are completely non-compliant design. (they seem to be really hands off on the design end of it...) Then I get stuck force feeding people lighting and controls not shown on the drawing in order to pass my inpection. (Due to the fact that Planning Dept. ~ who should be red-lining the plans - just plain ol' skips that step.) Then I get stuck having to throw the plans back to the Arch. or Designer requesting one that does comply. They in turn look at me like I have 3 heads, and have never heard of such a thing.... mad Which happen to be the first things our Inspectors look for at final. It's a real PITA!

I usually start off with a vague but clear (IMO) RFI - 'Lighting plan does not comply with Title 24 part 6 - please advise.'

Or likewise: 'MEP.1~4 Outlet locations, and quanities not compliant to CEC 210.52 - Please advise.'

It's about 50-50 that I get someone who even knows what I'm getting at, and doesn't need every bit of it explained to them. And a percentage of those who do get it, are trying to get me to skirt it for them, to give the customer what they actualy want - as opposed to what the State is telling them they have to have.

One thing that does sound interesting about this whole thing - if it passes muster - is that because this type of thing is so far reaching into every trade on the job - it will be up to the GC to hire some Hemp Suited goose-stepper consultant to play the bad guy instead of me... Or at least for the "Green Issues" - But I'll probably get stuck explaining the NEC to them.... mad

"Yes - you need more outlets, and no - they are not recycled!"


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Originally Posted by renosteinke
Good points, ITO.

Has anyone encountered this LEEDS stuff already? If so, what changes / effects were there in the electrical aspect of the job?


Nearest I can tell without buying the code yet, as it is not approved yet.... Is that it will be simular, but a little more 'reaching' than Title-24 in calc's and lighting.

Some of the compliance things sound a little 'out there' though... sick

Like: Outdoor light pollution being measured at eye level by the foot candle. I wonder how thats gonna be done in a dense city with street lights and traffic????


Mark Heller
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