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#153025 07/26/02 09:30 AM
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Caper:
Just hazarding a guess here...probably far off.
I remember working with a kind of insulating tape years ago when making splices(may still be available, for all I know) which came in two parts. The first part was a kind of rubber material which had some type of peel-off backing, for wrapping directly around the spliced conductors. The second part was a fabric-like material impregnated with something that would allow it to stick to itself, which was wrapped over the rubber layer.

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#153026 07/26/02 03:49 PM
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OK, I give up... What is it???
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Old push-button switch in the house that my partner, Joe, just bought.


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#153027 07/26/02 05:06 PM
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OK, I give up... What is it???

Looks like a receptacle to take non-grounding versions of what would now be 120 and 240V plugs (NEMA 1-15 and 2-15 ?)

Absolute guesswork here (gotta remember that liability issue!), but maybe they were used interchangeably at one time?

#153028 07/26/02 08:32 PM
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Mike,

Yeah, you are right. Years ago when they use to install knob and tube (K&T)wiring, the contractor would solder all of his splices. Then they would wrap it with rubber tape, then finish it off with the olf cloth "friction" tape. I wish I had a picture off the "splice box" I seen years ago. With K&T wiring, there was no splice boxes. Well one homeowner took a tuna can and used it to install a splice inside of it. You have to give him credit for thinking! (LOL)

Caper

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'66wv— On your photos…the "4-pin" receptacle must have been that experimental NEMA 1½-15 type.

#153030 07/28/02 04:51 PM
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Here's a bit of a view of wooden surface raceway with a pendant adapter. I took this out of a basement of an 1890's duplex about seven years ago.

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#153031 07/28/02 07:53 PM
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ElectricAL,

I have seen those old "running boards" for electrical wiring here in NJ. They are usually attached to Knob and Tube (K&T) wiring. The boards would help keep wiring safe when running on the surface where it could be damaged.

Joe,

Here in NJ for a period of several years ( Around the 60's I think) where the electrical contractor would attach his ground wires (Even though they were only 16 ga. copper ) to a screw and nut on the outside of the box. It makes for a very difficult time, if you wanted to get to the ground wire in a finished room. The ground wire you are looking for is attached either in the back or top of the box. Was this a common installation?

Caper

#153032 07/28/02 08:41 PM
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Caper:

That practice was not unusual. I have seen electrical contractors from the East to the West coasts, did do it the way you describe.

It was not covered, until Andy Cartel sent in a proposal for the 87? NEC to make sure the rule required the EGC's to be inside the box.

Here's the current rule in the 2002 NEC:

250.148 Continuity and Attachment of Equipment Grounding Conductors to Boxes.

Where circuit conductors are spliced within a box, or terminated on equipment within or supported by a box, any separate equipment grounding conductors associated with those circuit conductors shall be spliced or joined within the box or to the box with devices suitable for the use.


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#153033 07/28/02 08:54 PM
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This was typical as well, and was called the "Boston Back Wrap", or in any city the _________ backwrap!

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#153034 07/30/02 10:14 PM
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Joe,

I have seen the "back wrap" method of grounding. I have seen the farmers, 3-way switch, the ground wires bolted on the outside of the box, the Knob and tube (K&T) wiring, and the running boards, etc. However, ( And I wish I had a picture of it.) I did see a tuna fish can used as a splice box for K&T wiring. The homeowner thought that after lunch, ( a tuna sandwich, I guess) he cleaned out the tuna can and cut notches in it, then installed it around an open "T" splice in his attic around the K&T splice. I also saw an engineer argue with me that his job was OK. He ran a 14-2 RX wire from one switch to another to create a new three way switch. However he ran a yellow #14 THHN wire along side the RX. That made up his third wire. It just makes you shake your head and laugh.

Caper

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