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#151965 08/06/03 06:07 PM
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Found these when re-wiring an old house

[Linked Image from zen23694.zen.co.uk]


[Linked Image from zen23694.zen.co.uk]

Heres a sample cutting of the cable, which is actually in quite good condition

[Linked Image from zen23694.zen.co.uk]

A quick search on the net reveals that British insulated Cables existed for 20 years (1925 - 1945) before becoming BICC, which ties in nicely with the house as it was built in the 1930`s [Linked Image].

The original wiring was all there until i ripped it all out (2002), and the switches were all original solid brass and looked lovely. So i put them all safely under the stairs in a box and when i went to get them the bloody joiners threw them in the skip [Linked Image]

- sanUK

#151966 08/07/03 05:26 AM
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Quite a find! It's amazing what sort of old labels, papers, etc. turn up when you start crawling through attics or tearing into walls.

I don't recall ever seeing any labeling with this brand name on before, but of course the rubber-insulated 7/.029 cable is a familiar sight.

#151967 08/07/03 11:27 PM
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Very nice!

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bloody joiners threw them in the skip

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@#%*?! skilled carpenters threw them in the dumpster

Source: The American·British British·American Dictionary For English Speaking People

#151968 08/08/03 12:04 AM
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Actually....a Dumpster is a particular brand of those types of rubbish bins.

This is according to the Associated Press' writer's style book (or 'bible').

and here is the American Heritage (R) Dictionary's definition:
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A trademark used for containers designed for receiving, transporting, and dumping waste materials. This trademark often occurs in print in lowercase: “[The street is] lined with low-cost apartment buildings and strewn with blue dumpsters” (Chicago Tribune).

Yeah Yeah! I know -- WIZEGUY!! [Linked Image] [Linked Image] [Linked Image] [Linked Image] [Linked Image]

Was NONAZO just a brand or was it an acronym for something?

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#151969 08/08/03 07:48 AM
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Darn! I've just spent the best part of the last hour browsing through that site!

Interesting, but....

[Linked Image from 65.108.216.53] I guess I'd better go do some work.

[Linked Image from 65.108.216.53] I suppose I ought to go and do some work.

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#151970 08/09/03 10:49 PM
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Hilarious!


I went to look up "joiners" and "skip" because I wasn't quite certain of the meaning of the last sentence. I sort of gathered that's what it meant based on the context, but wanted to be sure.

As to DUMPSTER being a trade name, I was not aware. Seems it was registered as a trademark in 1963 [Linked Image] That whole area of trademark law can be tricky. For example (at least in the US), "Band-Aid" and "Xerox."

I just read that NexTel is trademarking "Push To Talk." Apparently, in the specific area of wireless telephone service, no other company will be permitted to use that term.

I can't believe they were allowed to do that. From what I remember, "PTT" was always an accepted, general term.

Finally, as to the original topic at hand, are those tinned conductors as opposed to Alumin[i]um?

That "Please see that this label is unbroken" at the bottom of the first photo reminds me of the label found on a mattress.

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Most likely the conductors are tin-plated copper. Bare copper reacts with (sulfur? in) rubber compounds with a corrosive effect. Thermoplastic/vinyl does not have this problem so it has no need for plating.




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This is a little off topic, but the term “NON-AZO” these days refers to chemical fabric- and food-dye molecules that do not contain a double-bonded nitrogen pair. It may have had something to do with the fabric covering over the rubber insulation—just a shot in the dark.

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I read about the Push-To-Talk trademark a little while ago in a telecoms mailing list I subscribe to. It seems ridiculous: The PTT term has been used in radio/telecoms work for decades. The height of audacity though I think goes to the Zilog Corp. when they tried to trademark the letter "Z" some years ago. [Linked Image]

Yes, those conductors are tinned copper. These were retained after the introduction of PVC insulation. Plain copper became the norm with the changeover to metric-sized cables around 1970.



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Bare copper reacts with (sulfur? in) rubber compounds with a corrosive effect.

Whoa! What does this mean for thos of us who use these dead-front rubber cord caps:

[Linked Image from codelca.com.co]

The bare wire does touch the housing when it's all assembled. I've got a bunch of these wired up at home...now you've got me wondering whether I'm rotting my lamp cord or what! [Linked Image]

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