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A viable option Redsy.....let's see if any tech support people show?!


exactly Al...... now would you ( or anyone) market an item that has a narrow market?

with a small and somewhat technically oriented disclaimer/warning easily misunderstood (thus blown off) by the general public?

note this is not the generic ' hot coffee in yer crotch burns' deal, it refers to technical jargon...

how is it the NRTL's would allow such a scenario marketed?

but that is another sister thread to go along with the Validity of the NEC



...... realize that if WE, as a BB of skilled tradesmen fumble explaining how to change a simple light fixture to the DIY'ers here......pot meet kettle.....i now this is a rather unpalatable subject, yet it exists for me as well as you....


honest Q, honest A...Electricmanscott,

i'd wager the majority of fixtures simply get changed out, and that's that.....

Guys,

I had the same problems years ago when I was in my own business. For the most part, I would just wire to the existing outlet if the wires in the box looked good. If there was an attic, then we could add a floating box up there, or if the light was between floor and the wires was in bad shape, we sometimes had to put in a flying box above the new light fixture. By the way all of my elec. contractor friends and my inspector friends back then couldn't give me an answer either. Basically it is the usual CYA for the light fixture company. They don't want to be held liable in case of a fire. All the responsability will fall on the contractor.

In reality this, as said before, is a CYA for the manufacturers. I am more than familiar with old insulation falling off in my hand.(my house 1930.s for one, along with many I have worked on)

In my case when we redid the house we used antique fixtures. Being that the only code problem here is "follow the manufacturers recomendations and there was none, I simply took all precautions that could be taken dealing with old wires.

This type work (without the 90C problem at hand) is one of the most frettfull task we have to deal with ie, wondering if by moving these wires around in the box actualy caused problems upline that we couldn't see.

This type work is dangerous enough for the seasoned pro, much less the DIYer.

On the otherhand if he is being coached through a project (books, family electrician, neighbor, or friend) that is simple enough,
there should be no problem.

Roger

Redsy — The McM 7453K-series [slang—"silex"] will do when nothing else will. The material is the classic "motor rewind" sleeving. Use two layers if you're nervous.

Many little old ladies like them 200-watt PS incansdescents in their kitchen ceilings.


[This message has been edited by Bjarney (edited 09-04-2002).]