The Electrical Contractor Network

ECN Electrical Forum
Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals

Books, Tools and Test Equipment for Electrical and Construction Trades

Live Chat

Join in a Live Electrical Chat!
Live Electrical Chat
>> Enter/Register
 

  Sorry, your browser is not Java enabled, please visit our java support pages in Chatroom
Recent Posts
Back to back bends on electric bender
by Tesla
05/20/12 05:38 PM
Which bright spark can help me here?
by LarryC
05/20/12 11:20 AM
100AMP panel in 60 degree ambient what size wire?
by twh
05/19/12 07:21 AM
Housekeeping and Clean-up
by electure
05/18/12 09:29 PM
Doorbell transformer??
by HotLine1
05/18/12 08:34 PM
New in the Gallery:
An old Amprobe model 550
Shout Box

Top Posters (30 Days)
HotLine1 29
gfretwell 26
sparkyinak 16
twh 15
renosteinke 13
Classified Ads:


Electrical-Classifieds.com

Who's Online
0 registered (), 96 Guests and 2 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#126944 - 03/17/01 12:44 PM Re: Pool Bonding - which way is best?
Bill Addiss Offline
Member

Registered: 10/07/00
Posts: 4185
Loc: NY, USA
Hello all,

I've brought this up before, but I don't think there was any real determination on the best way to bond a pool. BTW, I put it over here in the theory section because it's not really a code issue as it can be done either way.

The code just states that the pool and all equipment associated with it be bonded together. Connection of the bonding wire to the EGC of the Power source is optional. Which way would be better? And Why?

Bill

Top
#126945 - 03/17/01 04:56 PM Re: Re: Pool Bonding - which way is best?
sparky Offline
Member

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 5433
i am weak in this area also....

just what is a "voltage gradient" anyway?

is there a reason for solid vs. stranded?

a side note; just what in the world is "underwater audio" ?

Top
#126946 - 03/17/01 07:10 PM Re: Re: Pool Bonding - which way is best?
Bill Addiss Offline
Member

Registered: 10/07/00
Posts: 4185
Loc: NY, USA
Sparky,

My understandings:

a Voltage Gradient is a difference in potential from one area to another. Solid is better (I think) because it holds up better against the elements and can take more damage?

Underwater audio? you mean Sonar??

Top
#126947 - 03/18/01 05:08 AM Re: Re: Pool Bonding - which way is best?
sparky Offline
Member

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 5433
ok , so what if there is a difference in potential from the pool area to the service area?

I guess i can understand how solid would be hardier...


ps- 680-23 was the next code, do people really want underwater speakers installed? maybe i've lead a sheltered life up here, i've never seen such an install, i can't imagine how it would work...

Top
#126948 - 03/18/01 08:47 AM Re: Re: Pool Bonding - which way is best?
Bill Addiss Offline
Member

Registered: 10/07/00
Posts: 4185
Loc: NY, USA
Sparky,

I think the issue is having a difference in potential in the pool itself or immediately adjacent to it. Can you imagine Current flowing through the water all the time?

An interesting Article:
http://www.aquaticsintl.com/AI/Issues/Current/99/sep_oct/feature4.shtml

I don't know what Underwater speakers would sound like, probably a lot of Base? I don't expect to be puttin in any. Maybe Seaworld could use them for something.

Bill

Top
#126949 - 03/18/01 09:10 AM Re: Re: Pool Bonding - which way is best?
sparky Offline
Member

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 5433
Note there is many $$$$ to correct a problem that a simple GFI would detect in this article.

There is also mention of the high V side of the service sustaining damage, creating the problem here.

Materials used to "bond" are in question here, so your original Q marches on...


Top
#126950 - 03/23/01 04:31 AM Re: Re: Pool Bonding - which way is best?
sparky Offline
Member

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 5433
In regards to the original Q. 680 confuses me on the subject, so my approach is to simply overground such installations.

by this is mean extra clamps, rods, bonds , etc. to anything available.

a rather paranoid approach, but so far no grief from the AHJ



[This message has been edited by sparky (edited 03-23-2001).]

Top



ECN Electrical Forums - sponsored by Electrical Contractor Network - Electrical and Code Related Discussion for Electrical Contractors, Electricians, Inspectors, Instructors, Engineers and other related Professionals