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To back kiwi up, Our newest Code of Practice here in New Zealand states, you must have a sealed light fitting in Zone 0, where moisture could be transferred to the ceiling void. Or have a positive pressure fan, providing a ducted pressure more than the draught through the light fitting. That fan being fed by an SELV supply. ![[Linked Image]](https://www.electrical-contractor.net/ubb/smile.gif)
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410.4(D)is very explicit. There are measurements to follow, which really makes this easy code wise. If you measure 8 ft up from the shower threshold, and the lighting is above the "zone", then you are out of the realm of 410.4(D) and any type of fixture can be installed there. I cannot see shower spray going up that high, unless it is intentional.
A shower trim is not required by code, but if one should choose to install one, it is permitted. The lighting may stink, but it is permitted.
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I'm looking in the 2002 NEC: 410.4 (D) refers to hanging fixtures.
Lately, we've seen a lot of housing tract plans with recessed can fixtures over showers and tubs. We have universally required fixtures "suitable for wet location", per 410.4(A).
Shower water off the top of my head can easily hit the 8 foot ceiling in my shower, so it seems to be an easy call. What say you?
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Pierre wrote:
I cannot see shower spray going up that high, unless it is intentional. Where does it say the spray must be unintentional? What, you never drop the soap? ![[Linked Image]](https://www.electrical-contractor.net/ubb/biggrin.gif) The lighting may stink, but it is permitted. I use Progress cans with their shower trim, which is just a cone with a long-neck par-30 in it. Lights things up pretty good. Energy 7, here's the 2005: 410.4(D) Bathtub and Shower Areas. No parts of cord-connected luminaires (fixtures), chain-, cable-, or cord-suspended- luminaires (fixtures), lighting track, pendants, or ceiling-suspended (paddle) fans shall be located within a zone measured 900 mm (3 ft) horizontally and 2.5 m (8 ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower stall threshold. This zone is all encompassing and includes the zone directly over the tub or shower stall. Luminaires (lighting fixtures) located in this zone shall be listed for damp locations, or listed for wet locations where subject to shower spray. "Luminaires" includes recessed luminaires, so "damp" is all that's required.
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Shower water off the top of my head can easily hit the 8 foot ceiling in my shower, so it seems to be an easy call. What say you? See my first post!! It only takes a small drop of water on a hot bulb to shatter it, gentlemen!! I'd put the bloody trim on and be done with it! I can then be assured I haven't left a potential hazard (or litigation) behind. The good news is that the Code proscribes minimum standards. The bad news is that the Code proscribes minimum standards! 'enuff said.
Stupid should be painful.
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Ever been in a shower with good water pressure and seen the water droplets hit the ceiling?.
I have 15litres a minute here coming out of my shower rose.
That might be bad, but that is why the shower enclosure is a total "Wet Area", ceiling included.
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