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I guess Home Depot was closed?


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"If everything is tight, whats not workman like about it?? Not sure about the length maybe its need a clamp?? Mineralac?"

-The fact is that it is ugly as sin and the parts being used are not being used correctly.
I think renosteinke may be right, that it was installed afterwards.. but i think i could find better parts to use than that... i almost appears that the pipe gets larger the further to the left it gets???
Also.. the amount of bends are fine, even though these are not emt code 358.26 says there shall not be more than the equivalent of four quarter bends (360 degrees total).

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That NEC crack wasn't sarcasm! 'didn't know if this was owned by a public utility...

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If everything is tight, whats not workman like about it??

Frankly, if you walked into this situation and saw this mess, wouldn't you begin to question what other shortcuts or bodged work was done here? There are at least a few other wiring methods that would do the job better.

Looking very closely at the pictures, it appears that both wall surfaces are on the same plane, so why wasn't a single piece of emt, rigid or even sealtite used here? Two fittings and one support and wham, bam you're done. That hack job must've taken at least twice as long as doing it right, not to mention a radically higher material cost and having to evidently enlarge the KO in that subpanel. I cannot justify this in any way, so:

If I saw this as an AHJ, it would rate a correction sticker. And yes, I would argue Art. 110-12. [Linked Image] And maybe even (not sure of the applicable Code section) a red tag for making that KO in the subpanel so large it could be argued that the mechanical strength of the panel wall was reduced.

[This message has been edited by mxslick (edited 01-23-2006).]


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What other wiring methods would do the job "better". Are they better because you feel they would look better? Aren't those all listed fittings? I agree its ugly and not something I would be proud of but I don't believe its unsafeif all the fittings are tight. I'd also guess there was a 2" KO in that panel from the factory.

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Better check out the rest of their work!

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What size(s) is that conduit? If 277/480 there might be a violation for grounding the concentric KO's. Either way, I don't know too many inspectors who would allow thier name to be involved in the permit... If it were me, I would call it a workmanship issue.

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110.12 Mechanical Execution of Work.
Electrical equipment shall be installed in a neat and workmanlike manner.

The regulation in 110.12 calling for “neat and workmanlike” installations has appeared in the NEC as currently worded for more than a half-century. It stands as a basis for pride in one's work and has been emphasized by persons involved in the training of apprentice electricians for many years.
Many Code conflicts or violations have been cited by the authority having jurisdiction based on the authority's interpretation of “neat and workmanlike manner.” Many electrical inspection authorities use their own experience or precedents in their local areas as the basis for their judgments.
Examples of installations that do not qualify as “neat and workmanlike” include exposed runs of cables or raceways that are improperly supported (e.g., sagging between supports or using improper support methods); field-bent and kinked, flattened, or poorly measured raceways; or cabinets, cutout boxes, and enclosures that are not plumb or not properly secured.

"neat and workmanlike" Nope!

Not to mention 3 off-sets, and 3 couplings that have exposed treads inside... What condition is the wire inside?


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Git R Done [Linked Image]

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Exposed threads in a coupling are dangerous and not workmanlike??

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Just how many couplers does it take to connect two panels together?

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