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On the dimmer issue to a receptacle, see the UL White Book "Dimmers, General Use Switch (EOYX)"

In the 2000 White Book, it is on page 24.

The 2001 White Book is at the Building Department. I'm guessing it would be about page 28.

See "Dimmers" in the Index.

Go by NEC 110-3(b).

[This message has been edited by Gwz (edited 06-09-2002).]

404.14(E) was what I was looking for, but the more ammo the better!

Thanks!

-Virgil

Looking at the picture of the receptacle and I still say those grounding conductors are a violation of 300-14 of the 99 NEC "length of conductors. This article does not exclude grounding wires from meeting the conductor length, but everyone seems to allow this. When we talk about dimmer switches and the owner or even electricians install one, it is not easy to hook up the grounding wire and often is just not done. When the wires are that short they often get disconnected and it is to hard to get them hooked back up so they are left unconnected and eliminates the grounding on the rest of the circuit. I get contractors from back east that move out here to Arizona and when I enforce the grounding wire to comply with 300-14 they look at me like they never heard of such a thing. I haven't seen any mention of this. Let's check this out and enforce it.

Cactus,

Even though I'd had forgotten and overlooked 300.14 when making the list above, when I was working on these, the conductor length was my first gripe.
Very hard to work with and a gross violation of conductor length. Not only the EGC, but the Hots are very short too (where spliced).

Joe and myself were trained to have " 6" of free conductor" outside of the box, which was clarified in the '99 Code to be a little more reasonable. We were folding in darn near a foot per conductor on 3-1/2" deep boxes!!

I'll add 300.14 to the list.

Thanks!

-Virgil

The following photos illustrate the lack of GFCI protection in the kitchen.

Virgil:
What is pic. no. 4 (from the top)?

Also, how are the circuits divided between the two panels (i.e. first floor/second floor, east wing/west wing, etc.? Thanks for any info.

Mike (mamills)

[This message has been edited by mamills (edited 07-13-2002).]

The fourth new picture down is really there just to point out the lack of GFCI protection on the kitchen circuits. What you see is a TV mounted to the cabinet, and some Romex dropping down which was later removed. They had to move the TV anyway...

Admittedly, it's not a very good picture.

The circuits are placed seemingly randomly in the panels, there's kitchen circuits in both panels, etc. very little in the way of a panel schedule.

Joe had installed GFCI CB's a few days ago and he discovered that the N-G bonds were still intact in the panels with four wire feeders coming from a disconnect...
<Mr. Rodgers>Can we say "parallel"? Good! I knew you could!</Mr. Rodgers>



[This message has been edited by sparky66wv (edited 07-13-2002).]

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We still need to wait on the Webmaster's response, but you have my permission to print it.

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Let's wait for the webmaster's response, though....

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