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Loose connections and the load on the circuit created enough heat to cause this damage that could cause a serious fire.
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Ok you guys are going to hate me, but, would an AFCI have caught this?
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Scott, That appears to be a high resistance connection and not an arcing fault of any type. The AFCI device will trip for this type of fault only after the fault has progressed to a line to neutral, line to ground, or neutral to ground fault. It may or may not progress to a point where the AFCI will trip before the building is on fire. Will the AFCI have a better chance at detecting this fault before a fire starts than would a standard OCPD? Yes, it would. Don
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An unusual looking receptacle. There are no screws to speak of (except for the EGC). It looks like what someone else here at ECN appropriately referred to as a "push and pray" type. I disected one of these receptacles to see just how much contact area was made between the #12TW wire I used and the contact points in the plug...appalling Mike (mamills) [This message has been edited by mamills (edited 02-27-2003).]
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Is it just me or does that green screw look a little loose?
I've never seen an outlet like this. NEC should start spec'ing a minimum contact area to eliminate device like this. I'm starting to see a lot of spring type wired devices that look really nice. They probably save a lot of time and $$. When I see pictures like this I have to reconsider their use.
So I have a 12AWG plugged into the back of this with some spring terminal that engages the wire on maybe one side with only a small amount of surface area. Then I plug in my 12AWG cord from my wall AC unit. Right! I love the smell of plastic burning in the morning.... smells like... Er...uhm....UL listing?
Isn't it like running 1" water pipe, dropping down to 1/2" and then going back to 1".
RSlater, RSmike
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Isn't this one reason the code requires electrical boxes? To contain failures like this so it doesn't set the house on fire. As I understand it (I'm one of those infamous electrical engineers) the NEC code is written such that, if complied with, a single failure like the above will be caught before it leads to a bigger failure (like the house burning down). Layers of redundancy, to improve safety.
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Re: electrical boxes containing failures
That's an interesting comment and I can see where it would work with a metal box.
However how would a plastic box contain a flareup like that? Plastic melts and sometimes burns.
Are plastic device boxes made of a fire-retardant material? I'm not too familiar with them...have always dealt with and seen metal boxes only.
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This picture shows a receptacle with burned off contacts, and it was on a display table at one of my seminars.
Yes, the EGC was loose, and the use of 12 AWG is no longer permitted for the "push-in" types of connections.
I believe that UL stopped listing that product quite some time ago. The use of a box for enclosing a receptacle is usually the way in which it gets installed. A box does help to keep the "fault" contained within the box, that's why we have certain rules that limit open gaps and flush .... etc.
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Have any others that look like this one?
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Question about afci breakers. Do they detect in line arcs. Example when a load is turned on?
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