An informational note of my own:

Joe tended to 'hang out' at an HI forum that had a fair number of electrically informed folks at it.

I tend to watch another HI forum where their 'gurus' have far more attitude than expertise.

When the State of Kentucky point-blank told HI's to keep out of panels, ther HI's screamed like banshees. They just feel compelled to take off the covers and poke about with every fancy gizmo with blinking lights that they can find.

I am also disturbed by the concept that asserts that watching a 15-minute power point show makes a man 'qualified,' but completing a 4-5year apprenticeship does not.