thanx guys, i know that a c-10 is not enough if you are working for another co. and you still need to show your journeymans card. but if i am a lic, cont,insured, and bonded, and the company o k 's this would i still need to have my j card ? you would be working as a sub, for a sub, for the general, or who ever. im sure that all of this will just prove to be fuetile but it bugs me that a c-10 is not = to a j card. what do you think. if i were asked for my card on a job site and told them whats going on and who i am what would happen? stay or get of the job site? oh and whats up with that title master/contrctor to me that should cover both.