Swedejr- Yeah, Huntington Beach, CA requires stainless steel ground rods if you do a service changeout here... Something to do with the salinity of the soil.. I guess it decomposes the copper rods or something... but its funny that this is the only Orange county city that does require them [Linked Image] Joe has an unfair advantage with these pics, being from Mass... The older buildings have had more chances for hatracks to screw em up!... [Linked Image] On that box, at least the wires seem to actually have enough length to make it OUT of the box... A few of em might even hit that golden 6 inches... (This is all looking at the glass ½ full though..).. If all the grounded phase conductors were stuffed together in one blue wirenut I'd swear I saw that same box in a 24 hour Fitness remodel.. [Linked Image]